Football 17/18

[DareToDibble]

1-1 tonight. Suarez and Cahill....

[jyoung]

7 minutes ago, DareToDibble said:

1-1 tonight. Suarez and Cahill....

Hoping Cahill doesn't start. He has the experience but his stats this year haven't been great. Azpi - Christensen - Rudiger at the back for me.

[jyoung]

That was the kind of game where you'd probably take a draw before kick off but can't help feeling a bit gutted come full time.

We'll come away from that game disappointed and I think that says a lot. There's no shame in drawing against Barcelona but it was ours to win. We'll go again in Spain, no doubt as the underdog, with people calling Barca favourites once more. 

I have to admit, I questioned the formation and lack of out and out striker but we played a fantastic tactical game. It was clear we had a plan and I thought we executed it very well. 

Fantastic team performance and hard to single anyone out. Barca punished our one mistake and that's football at the highest level. Christensen will learn from that. Chins up and same again for the second leg. All to play for.

 

[DareToDibble]

18 hours ago, DareToDibble said:

1-1 tonight. Suarez and Cahill....

Half right.

On another night Chelsea could have won that 3-0. I worry for them in the second leg though as they have to score which could leave them exposed.

[mjsell]

I didn't see anything in that game that made me think that either team could win the whole thing

[jyoung]

46 minutes ago, DareToDibble said:

Half right.

On another night Chelsea could have won that 3-0. I worry for them in the second leg though as they have to score which could leave them exposed.

Barca will always play the same way, especially when at Nou Camp so we'll stick to our tactics and look to exploit their weaknesses as we did last night. We certainly won't be throwing ourselves forward and leaving ourselves exposed though.

[eFestivals]

1 hour ago, DareToDibble said:

On another night Chelsea could have won that 3-0. 

on another night Willian would have got a woodwork hat-trick and they'd have lost 0-1.

[zahidf]

Morata getting ANOTHER yellow for dissent while on the pitch for 7 minutes probably means conte wont trust him in the return leg. He def has a attitude problem

[zahidf]

Pogba dropped from Man utd starting line up

[Wooderson]

That FA statement is a fucking laugh. 

[jyoung]

Anyone else just see Harry Kane present Kendrick Lamar with a Brit Award? Hahahahaha.

Edited February 21, 2018 by jyoung

[ThomThomDrum]

3 hours ago, Wooderson said:

That FA statement is a fucking laugh. 

Indeed.

and it’s a farce Holgate gets away with it all... not even a yellow for the push

stinks of race card and the ref fell for it 

 

[Wooderson]

So are we to believe that Holgate still thinks he was racially abused? FA statement suggests only reason RF not banned was that evidence didn’t support the accusation. That’s nice.

[eFestivals]

5 hours ago, Wooderson said:

So are we to believe that Holgate still thinks he was racially abused? FA statement suggests only reason RF not banned was that evidence didn’t support the accusation. That’s nice.

perhaps he's the stereotypical footie player, and that's what he thinks? He wouldn't be the first brain-dead player to play at the top level.

[eFestivals]

just saw this, and it made me laugh...

Little Mou (aka Tony Pulis with a giant chequebook)

 

[Wooderson]

2 hours ago, eFestivals said:

perhaps he's the stereotypical footie player, and that's what he thinks? He wouldn't be the first brain-dead player to play at the top level.

The "brain dead" argument doesnt work for me Neil mate, soz. Its too big a deal. If RF abused this kid he should be banned for ten games and his career over. Period.

Theyve investigated in detail and found nothing - yet there is no exoneration. My point above stands, this player could still genuinely feel he was abused. The LFC player will be tainted with this for good. Unacceptable.

At best this is a totally genuine mistake by the Everton lad. Would be ok only he pushed the Liverpool player into the fucking stand prior to the incident and has made no reference to it since. A very simple "It appears I misinterpreted the portuguese phrase used. I now move on." would suffice.

At worst its malicious. He should get an equal ban to that which RF would be subject. The BBCSport twitter account last night stated Bobby would "avoid disciplinary action". Unacceptable inference here.

[eFestivals]

16 minutes ago, Wooderson said:

Theyve investigated in detail and found nothing - yet there is no exoneration.

True, although they obviously don't feel that Bobby's innocence can be proven beyond all doubt, either, and he has admitted to abusing Holgate (just not racist abuse). I'll give the FA the benefit of the doubt on this one, because Bobby isn't innocent of everything. 

I know his reaction was understandable in the circumstances, but from the FA's view it's for the ref to ref the game and not for players to take matters into their own hands ... where I'm uncomfortable most with this is when its put alongside Livermore getting a free-pass for reacting.

Next up is Jay Rodrigez, I think - another one where the main suggestion is that there was nothing to it. I'm all for the FA acting against racism, but depending how that one turns out I reckon they might need to adjust their procedures.

[Wooderson]

27 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

True, although they obviously don't feel that Bobby's innocence can be proven beyond all doubt, either, and he has admitted to abusing Holgate (just not racist abuse). I'll give the FA the benefit of the doubt on this one, because Bobby isn't innocent of everything. 

I know his reaction was understandable in the circumstances, but from the FA's view it's for the ref to ref the game and not for players to take matters into their own hands ... where I'm uncomfortable most with this is when its put alongside Livermore getting a free-pass for reacting.

 

Bobby is innocent of this charge. We'll see where this goes. Either the FA sharpens up their processes surrounding such matters or the mere accusation is all that will ever be required to sully a player's character forever. This will be capitalised upon.

[eFestivals]

23 minutes ago, Wooderson said:

Bobby is innocent of this charge.

there's a fine line between 'abuse' and 'racist abuse'. They're both designed to do the same thing, and the difference can be as little as one extra word which takes a few milliseconds to be said.

If there's been no abuse, then it would have been impossible for there to be any racial abuse.

Because there was abuse and an allegation that some of it was racial, without being able to track* every word that left bobby's gob at the time it's impossible to conclude that there was no racial abuse.

(* he's out of sight of the video for some of it, I believe)

Remember, this isn't about high criminal standards for evidence. It's much closer to (in E&W law) a civil case, or (as i understand it) the Scottish criminal system which has 'not proven' as well as 'not guilty'.

Edited February 22, 2018 by eFestivals

[Wooderson]

Again, Bobby appears to have wronged this Everton kid. Bizarre and disingenuous Neil. Theres a clear difference between a racist remark and the outburst Bobby uttered following his return to the pitch from being pushed head first into the stand.

[eFestivals]

15 minutes ago, Wooderson said:

Again, Bobby appears to have wronged this Everton kid.

That's cos he did, and admitted to the FA that he did.

I know it's pretty standard on the pitch, but he abused him. That's a wrong.

 

15 minutes ago, Wooderson said:

Bizarre and disingenuous Neil. Theres a clear difference between a racist remark and the outburst Bobby uttered following his return to the pitch from being pushed head first into the stand.

One is racist and one is not, but they're both abuse.

Like I say, from an FA consistency point of view, where the bobby decision is dodgy is when compared against the recent Livermore case, rather than against other racism cases. 

 

[Hugh Jass]

1 hour ago, eFestivals said:

Next up is Jay Rodrigez, I think - another one where the main suggestion is that there was nothing to it. I'm all for the FA acting against racism, but depending how that one turns out I reckon they might need to adjust their procedures.

I'm willing to bet the West Brom player is treated differently to the Liverpool player.

[eFestivals]

3 minutes ago, Hugh Jass said:

I'm willing to bet the West Brom player is treated differently to the Liverpool player.

I suspect he might get cleared, which would make you right.

I think there might be cameras on him for the whole time.

[Hugh Jass]

8 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

I suspect he might get cleared, which would make you right.

I think there might be cameras on him for the whole time.

Given how our season has gone I'm expecting a five match ban.

[The Nal]

When will we see Daglish out in a Firmino tshirt?