Football 17/18

[zahidf]

1 hour ago, pink_triangle said:

Agreed, but I don’t really see the club sustaining at the current level. I’m assuming Poch has ambition and wants to win things. If he leaves the team spirit could soon fall. If it’s another season without a trophy will the players continue to take (relatively) less money. If spurs players have good world cups the vultures will be circling.

I think the trophy thing is overstated. Top 4 and champs league thing is more important for spurs.

Poch may leave for  Real or barca one day (maybe even Utd) but id be surprised if its this or next summer. 

[pink_triangle]

13 minutes ago, zahidf said:

I think the trophy thing is overstated. Top 4 and champs league thing is more important for spurs.

It may be the priority for the club. However I have no doubt that the players want to win domestic league and champions league winners medals.

Every year that goes by where they aren't in contention to win these, will make the players consider whether they are willing to be underpaid just to finish 3rd/4th and if they need to move to win major trophies and earn their market value wage.

[pink_triangle]

30 minutes ago, zahidf said:

 

Poch may leave for  Real or barca one day (maybe even Utd) but id be surprised if its this or next summer. 

I think if your looking to move this summer is the time to do it. Lots of big clubs will be changing manager. That didn't happen last summer and maybe won't next year.

I think the question Poch has to ask is how much further can he take spurs. From a domestic perspective they haven't progressed much in 12 month. I can't see them mounting a title challenge next year. 

[mjsell]

2 hours ago, pink_triangle said:

I think if your looking to move this summer is the time to do it. Lots of big clubs will be changing manager. That didn't happen last summer and maybe won't next year.

I think the question Poch has to ask is how much further can he take spurs. From a domestic perspective they haven't progressed much in 12 month. I can't see them mounting a title challenge next year. 

Agreed. I know from Spurs supporting friends that they are way more fearful of Poch leaving than any specific player. The one thing they are clinging to is that he will want to complete 'the process' of moving into the new stadium.

But from a player perspective - now they have seen the likes of Walker leave, get paid more and immediately win the League, questions will start to be asked. Rose and Alderweireld are both on the move it would seem but the fans I know are most fearful of losing Eriksen (they are still confident of Kane and Alli not pushing for an exit)

Edited April 3, 2018 by mjsell

[Hugh Jass]

10 hours ago, pink_triangle said:

The report I read said all wages and 2 millionish loan fee. 

That’s not true, we had some cash to spend but nothing for wages due to FFP. The understanding at our end was that we paid Liverpool a largeish loan fee that covered wages too.

He was the best we could afford.

[TheGayTent]

32 minutes ago, Hugh Jass said:

That’s not true, we had some cash to spend but nothing for wages due to FFP. The understanding at our end was that we paid Liverpool a largeish loan fee that covered wages too.

He was the best we could afford.

You didn’t go down due to signing Sturridge or not signing an alternative striker. Problems clearly run deeper 

[eastynh]

3 minutes ago, TheGayTent said:

You didn’t go down due to signing Sturridge or not signing an alternative striker. Problems clearly run deeper 

West Brom filled their team with players to play the Pullis way, then expected Pardew to keep them up. 

When I seen them play, they had no pace, no mobility and their team was full of players who were half decent 5 years ago.  Sacking Pullis was a mistake really as he would have kept them up. The summer would have been the time to have a massive shake up. Realistically Pardew had no chance.

Too many average players who all play  similar way. 

[pink_triangle]

1 hour ago, Hugh Jass said:

 

He was the best we could afford.

There is a world outside the premiership. Every forward is a gamble, but gamble on someone who may stay fit. 

[zahidf]

Lucky Utd

 

[thetime]

31 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Lucky Utd

 

I wouldn’t be surprised, you can’t blame them either. Why risk injury or ‘fatigue’ when the champions league tie is far more important. 

To be fair there 2nd string is good enough to beat jose’s United. 

[The Nal]

4 minutes ago, thetime said:

To be fair there 2nd string is good enough to beat jose’s United. 

Nah they're not. The team they put out against Basel at home was fairly average.

Doesn't matter anyway, league is over. Wouldn't even mind City winning it against Utd to be honest. May give a few Utd players a horrible feeling that they never want to have again. Sort of like when City won it in injury time with Agueros goal. 

Some great ball on over the next 2 days. 

[vintagelaureate]

3 hours ago, Hugh Jass said:

That’s not true, we had some cash to spend but nothing for wages due to FFP. The understanding at our end was that we paid Liverpool a largeish loan fee that covered wages too.

He was the best we could afford.

His wages are alot, £180,000 a week - so that'd be around £3.8 million alone between January to May.

[eastynh]

1 hour ago, zahidf said:

Lucky Utd

 

United are an irrelevence these days when it comes to competing for major trophies. Liverpool seem to be our rivals now. 

United are playing for the most shirts sold in Singapore cup, the most followers on twitter title or the not letting City win the title against us championship. 

[pink_triangle]

13 minutes ago, eastynh said:

United are an irrelevence these days when it comes to competing for major trophies. Liverpool seem to be our rivals now. 

If that's true why are man utd ahead of Liverpool in the league. Man utd spending power means they are likely to be back in contention.

[eastynh]

9 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

If that's true why are man utd ahead of Liverpool in the league. Man utd spending power means they are likely to be back in contention.

The season is not over yet. Where are the rags in the champions league? Whens the last time the rags competed for the title?

Edited April 3, 2018 by eastynh

[eFestivals]

29 minutes ago, vintagelaureate said:

His wages are alot, £180,000 a week - so that'd be around £3.8 million alone between January to May.

i reckon it's unlikely that West Brom are paying the full wage.

[pink_triangle]

6 minutes ago, eastynh said:

The season is not over yet. Where are the rags in the champions league? Whens the last time the rags competed for the title?

Leicester have competed for major honours and reached the quarter finals more recently than man utd. Only a fool would suggest that means they are more likely to in the future. Success in football is generally down to money, if you spend enough it will probably come good.

[eastynh]

Just now, pink_triangle said:

Leicester have competed for major honours and reached the quarter finals more recently than man utd. Only a fool would suggest that means they are more likely to in the future. Success in football is generally down to money, if you spend enough it will probably come good.

How much more do United want to spend? They have spent hundreds of millions yet are out the chumps league to Seville (Who hardly spend anything) 16 points behind in the league and light years behind in playing style.

If Uniteds stratergy is throw money at it with no actual plan, then they won't be competing for anything worth while, any time soon.

[TheGayTent]

45 minutes ago, vintagelaureate said:

His wages are alot, £180,000 a week - so that'd be around £3.8 million alone between January to May.

He is not on 180k a week. 

[pink_triangle]

1 minute ago, eastynh said:

How much more do United want to spend? They have spent hundreds of millions yet are out the chumps league to Seville (Who hardly spend anything) 16 points behind in the league and light years behind in playing style.

If Uniteds stratergy is throw money at it with no actual plan, then they won't be competing for anything worth while, any time soon.

They are so behind in a year where city have been so far ahead. They are still closer than all the other chasers.

Spending is the number one factor in dictating success in football. It is a tactic that will eventually work in my view. Most clubs have peaks and troughs, I think it's unwise to rule out one the world's richest clubs yet.

[eastynh]

4 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

They are so behind in a year where city have been so far ahead. They are still closer than all the other chasers.

Spending is the number one factor in dictating success in football. It is a tactic that will eventually work in my view. Most clubs have peaks and troughs, I think it's unwise to rule out one the world's richest clubs yet.

Since Ferguson retired have United not spent more money than anyone else in world football? They have not competed for the title once.

[vintagelaureate]

21 minutes ago, TheGayTent said:

He is not on 180k a week. 

Sorry - that's his total figure with bonuses.

I know for a fact he is on a minimum of 120/130k a week plus bonuses for appearances and goals which make it up. He wanted a minimum figure of 150k to leave permanently dependent on the club.

Edited April 3, 2018 by vintagelaureate

[jyoung]

Think that's Chelsea destined for the Europa League then. A lot of talk on the forums about how in recent times we've seen a massive pool of potential talent dwindled down and replaced by bang average players which is infuriating to watch but also hard to complain and we seem to win something just about every other year. Obviously hindsight is everything but its clear now that we'd rather have the likes of Lukaku, De Bruyne, Salah than be without.

The fans are becoming increasingly frustrated with Conte's lack of a plan b but even more frustrated by our failure to secure top transfer targets in recent times. We've spent a lot of money on 'middle of the road' rather than investing in fewer but better players. We'll see a new boss come in this summer and the cycle will most likely continue. We could end up losing Courtois AND Hazard. With the likes of Fabregas, Pedro and David Luiz entering their last year as well, it's looking like a hugely significant summer and I think the new boss will have a challenge on his hands. Hoping lads like Loftus Cheek and Batshuayi can come back from their loans and be involved but we don't have the best track record for things like that.

[The Nal]

32 minutes ago, eastynh said:

Since Ferguson retired have United not spent more money than anyone else in world football? 

No that would be City. 

[TheGayTent]

26 minutes ago, vintagelaureate said:

Sorry - that's his total figure with bonuses.

He won’t have got any of them recently !