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[feral chile]

1 minute ago, eFestivals said:

He never did do.

So how did he lie? How have I called him a liar? I'm not the one insisting there were no seats, you are. You're the one who's nitpicking about this definition. I don't think he ever said he was forced to sit on the floor either, though I'd have to check. The original fanzine piece was more 'good old Jeremy joining forces with these people in the aisles, who face having to sit there every day.' 

Olus, it depends what you need to do on the train, he says he couldn't find 2 seats together. I suspect the truth is that he needed to prep with his team.

Because there were seats when he chose to sit on the floor. Which he did say.

You say you do balanced sources. Find it yourself.

 

but he still sat on the floor when there were seats available for him to sit in.

and then he tried his best to not admit he'd sat on the floor when there were seats available to sit in.

If someone is sat in a pile of shit and moaning about some have to sit in a pile of shit, it's a perfectly reasonable assumption to think they're saying they've been made to sit in shit.

And if they've sat in shit when they didn't have to sit in shit, to think them an idiot for choosing to sit in shit.

 

The footage isn't misleading.

Jez walked thru carriage after carriage of empty seats.

Not the unreserved seats. branson eventually released unedited footage, when he was forced to, of the same selective footage he originally released, several months later, citing technical difficulties for the delay. How fortunate that his misleading footage was available immediately, eh?

 

 

[eFestivals]

10 minutes ago, feral chile said:

You show me the facts then. You call the other passenger accounts lies.

Oh FFS. :lol:

You're STILL too stupid to understand it.

NO ONE is saying the train wasn't full LATER ON.

It wasn't full when Jez sat on the floor.

 

10 minutes ago, feral chile said:

Eagle corrected herself later, do you see me calling her a liar?

Corrected herself? How?

The conclusion of everyone who looked at everything in depth was that the broken window was likely to have been an attack on Eagle.

[feral chile]

3 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

the one repeating lies is you feral.

You're calling Jez a liar.

Branson's video showed Jez walking past seats he could have sat in. Jez admitted that was the case.

Even the footage by the cameraman with jez shows that Branson's video was accurate (tho Branson's video did suggest more empty seats than there really were, because of short people).

Jez walked past empty seats. The Branson video showed jez walking past empty seats. Jez has admitted this fact.

Corbyn has stated he was looking for 2 seats. That implies that there were single seats available, sure, but not the huge swathes of empty seats that branson misleadingly implied. There clearly weren't many, because they had to upgrawde a family to seat Jeremy, and people were in fact also sitting in the aisles. So, whatever ctiteria they used for feeling they needed to do that, surely should apply to him. And is very likely to be that they wanted to keep the group together, or at least in the same carriage.

[eFestivals]

2 minutes ago, feral chile said:

Not the unreserved seats.

 

There were countless empty unreserved seats on the train when Jez boarded the train. :rolleyes:

Jez admitted this.

The footage by Jez's cameraman shows this.

 

2 minutes ago, feral chile said:

branson eventually released unedited footage, when he was forced to, of the same selective footage he originally released, several months later, citing technical difficulties for the delay. How fortunate that his misleading footage was available immediately, eh?

there was footage that gave a better view of seats.

There is no footage that shows no empty seats, there is only footage which shows empty seats.

FFS

 

[lost]

With the traingate thing, I felt the outcry was because Corbyns always claiming to be a man of the people and then he goes and does something like that during the school holidays when the people who actually use that line know obviously there would be loads of free seats. If he had waited a month it might of worked.

Same reason Trump beat Clinton. Even though Trump seems a pretty horrible person there is something fake and disingenuous about Clinton which seems to turn people off more.

[feral chile]

1 minute ago, eFestivals said:

Oh FFS.

You're STILL too stupid to understand it.

NO ONE is saying the train wasn't full LATER ON.

It wasn't full when Jez sat on the floor.

 

Corrected herself? How?

The conclusion of everyone who looked at everything in depth was that the broken window was likely to have been an attack on Eagle.

She corrected herself compared to her original tweet that it was her office that was attacked, to state that it was a window in her building.

have I pounced on her for that?

No. If you had pounced on her for that, I'd actually be calling you out on it. because that's my whole point. It's not that I think Eagle should be picked up on irrelevances, though I think she should have avoided jumping to conclusions - she is human though. 

It's more, why don't you think she should, since you apply your rules to Corbyn?

[feral chile]

1 minute ago, lost said:

With the traingate thing, I felt the outcry was because Corbyns always claiming to be a man of the people and then he goes and does something like that during the school holidays when the people who actually use that line know obviously there would be loads of free seats. If he had waited a month it might of worked.

Same reason Trump beat Clinton. Even though Trump seems a pretty horrible person there is something fake and disingenuous about Clinton which seems to turn people off more.

So why were other people on the floor?

[feral chile]

2 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

There were countless empty unreserved seats on the train when Jez boarded the train.

Jez admitted this.

The footage by Jez's cameraman shows this.

 

there was footage that gave a better view of seats.

There is no footage that shows no empty seats, there is only footage which shows empty seats.

FFS

 

No.

[lost]

Just now, feral chile said:

So why were other people on the floor?

Some people don't even attempt to find a seat.. possibility because its been full at previous times, they may only be staying on for 1 stop or simply don't like sitting next to other people.

[feral chile]

3 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

There were countless empty unreserved seats on the train when Jez boarded the train.

Jez admitted this.

The footage by Jez's cameraman shows this.

 

there was footage that gave a better view of seats.

There is no footage that shows no empty seats, there is only footage which shows empty seats.

FFS

 

Yes, and that footage puts a big question mark over branson's claims. Corbyn (or his team, not sure if it was actually the man himself) said that there were bags on a lot of the seats. And we now know there were nowhere near as many empty seats as branson's original footage made it look. Of course it's impossible to know if there were more people who never came into shot, but we did get to see quite a number. And it was very clear that Branson deliberately found a still where the fewest number of people were in shot.

[feral chile]

2 minutes ago, lost said:

Some people don't even attempt to find a seat.. possibility because its been full at previous times, they may only be staying on for 1 stop or simply don't like sitting next to other people.

there were quite a few people on social media corroborating his story. I know it's hard to tell what's planted, but still, it does leave a question mark there.

[eFestivals]

8 minutes ago, feral chile said:

Corbyn has stated he was looking for 2 seats.

If you think 2 empty seats together are the last available seats on a train, you've never been on a train.

Jez stated he found 2 empty seats together.

Jez also stated the same carriage had a number of empty single seats.

 

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That implies that there were single seats available

There were. Jez has admitted it; Jez's cameraman filmed them; Branson's footage showed them.

 

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but not the huge swathes of empty seats that branson misleadingly implied.

Is one seat not enough for our Jez, then?

 

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There clearly weren't many,

There were enough to seat Jez's wife, and 3 staff, and to still have empty seats left over. 

 

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because they had to upgrawde a family to seat Jeremy,

that was later, after the train had filled up.

 

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and people were in fact also sitting in the aisles.

that was later, after the train had filled up.

 

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So, whatever ctiteria they used for feeling they needed to do that, surely should apply to him.

So everyone should sit on the floor just in case all the seats gets filled up?

 

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And is very likely to be that they wanted to keep the group together, or at least in the same carriage.

So every train should have enough spare seats to accommodate any size group that might turn up? :lol:

 

Edited December 20, 2017 by eFestivals

[eFestivals]

5 minutes ago, feral chile said:

So why were other people on the floor?

because time passes and situations change over time.

Fucks sake. :lol:

[feral chile]

Just now, eFestivals said:

If you think 2 empty seats together are the last available seats on a train, you've never been on a train.

Jez stated he found 2 empty seats together.

Jez also stated the same carriage had a number of empty single seats.

 

There were. Jez has admitted it; Jez's cameraman filmed them; Branson's footage showed them.

 

Is one seat not enough for our Jez, then?

 

There were enough to seat Jez's wife, and 3 staff, and to still have empty seats left over. 

 

that was later, after the train had filled up.

 

that was later, after the train had filled up.

 

So everyone should sit on the floor just in case all the seats gets filled up?

 

So ever6y 

 

 

 

It wasn't. Corbyn;'s cameraman showed him walking past people in the aisles, the whole point was that he joined some of them. 45 minutes later, his team was found spaces.

Where are you getting this idea that the train was empty? Surely not from Branson's fake footage?

[eFestivals]

8 minutes ago, feral chile said:

She corrected herself compared to her original tweet that it was her office that was attacked, to state that it was a window in her building.

have I pounced on her for that?

she never hid the fact.

She tweeted a picture of the window which was broken.

Fuck sake. :lol:

[eFestivals]

1 minute ago, feral chile said:

Corbyn;'s cameraman showed him walking past people in the aisles,

fake news.

That's footage from a later time. :rolleyes:

 

1 minute ago, feral chile said:

the whole point was that he joined some of them.

he didn't.

No one was sat on the floor when Jez sat on the floor, because there was no need to sit on the floor.

because there were still plenty of seats.

 

1 minute ago, feral chile said:

45 minutes later, his team was found spaces.

and 20 minutes before the train departed when jez boarded the train there were still spaces. :rolleyes:

 

1 minute ago, feral chile said:

Where are you getting this idea that the train was empty? Surely not from Branson's fake footage?

Oh look, you've had to li4e. Is that because your facts are good, or because they're not? :lol:

No one says the train was empty. Everyone agrees that LATER ON the train was full.

It wasn't full when Jez sat on the floor.

[lost]

8 minutes ago, feral chile said:

there were quite a few people on social media corroborating his story. I know it's hard to tell what's planted, but still, it does leave a question mark there.

Alot of people do have the same expectation as Jez that they shouldn't have to put any effort into finding a seat. Nearly a week doesn't go by when the announcer says something like " For those of you standing there are plenty of seats available in the rear carridge" generally nobody moves and carrys on standing.

[eFestivals]

8 minutes ago, feral chile said:

Yes, and that footage puts a big question mark over branson's claims. Corbyn (or his team, not sure if it was actually the man himself) said that there were bags on a lot of the seats.

and there might have been.

Just about everyone who gets on a train with a bag puts the bag on the seat next to them, in the hope that it stops a random sitting in that seat.

Jez spends his life on trains. Jez knows this.

Jez spends his life on trains. He also knows that he's allowed to sit in reserved seats.

 

8 minutes ago, feral chile said:

And we now know there were nowhere near as many empty seats as branson's original footage made it look.

Who cares?

The point is that there were seats that Jez could have sat in.

 

8 minutes ago, feral chile said:

And it was very clear that Branson deliberately found a still where the fewest number of people were in shot.

A still?

It's a video, not a still.

[feral chile]

1 minute ago, eFestivals said:

and there might have been.

Just about everyone who gets on a train with a bag puts the bag on the seat next to them, in the hope that it stops a random sitting in that seat.

Jez spends his life on trains. Jez knows this.

Jez spends his life on trains. He also knows that he's allowed to sit in reserved seats.

 

Who cares?

The point is that there were seats that Jez could have sat in.

 

A still?

It's a video, not a still.

I mean the particular selective image that showed up everywhere.

[eFestivals]

8 minutes ago, feral chile said:

It wasn't.

it was.

Jez admitted it. 

Stop calling jez a liar.

 

8 minutes ago, feral chile said:

Corbyn;'s cameraman showed him walking past people in the aisles,

not before Jez had passed-up empty seats to sit on the floor.

 

8 minutes ago, feral chile said:

the whole point was that he joined some of them.

No he didn't.

NO ONE WAS SAT ON THE FLOOR WHEN JEZ SAT ON THE FLOOR

 

8 minutes ago, feral chile said:

45 minutes later, his team was found spaces.

His team already had spaces.

Jez admitted it.

 

8 minutes ago, feral chile said:

Where are you getting this idea that the train was empty? 

where are you getting the idea that i'm saying the train was empty? Show m4e where i've said the train was empty. :lol:

Stop lying/making-it-up and do some facts.

[feral chile]

1 minute ago, eFestivals said:

it was.

Jez admitted it. 

Stop calling jez a liar.

 

not before Jez had passed-up empty seats to sit on the floor.

 

No he didn't.

NO ONE WAS SAT ON THE FLOOR WHEN JEZ SAT ON THE FLOOR

 

His team already had spaces.

Jez admitted it.

 

where are you getting the idea that i'm saying the train was empty? Show m4e where i've said the train was empty.

Stop lying/making-it-up and do some facts.

that it wasn't packed. I haven't seen anything outside Branson's original footage.

[feral chile]

OK. Again the CCTV footage released later.

Note that Corbyn walks past people on the floor right at the start.

The video also shows fellow passengers supporting corbyn's account.

Before anyone points out, I'm aware that the people behind this are not neutral.

Edited December 20, 2017 by feral chile

[eFestivals]

17 minutes ago, feral chile said:

OK. Again the CCTV footage released later.

Note that Corbyn walks past people on the floor right at the start.

You're dumb as fuck, feral. That's not what it says. Care to take a guess why it doesn't say what you've just claimed?

Ask yourself why it doesn't show all of the Corbyn entourage passing the people on the floor, but instead only shows the cameraman who we know was walking about the train later on.

WHICH IS PROVEN BY THE FACT THE TRAIN IS MOVING - LOOK OUT OF THE WINDOW!!!

And in your own evidence:-

"most of the seats were occupied" - which means some were free.

Which Jez admitted.

Go take that IQ test again feral, something definitely went wrong.

Edited December 20, 2017 by eFestivals

[eFestivals]

18 minutes ago, feral chile said:

Note that Corbyn walks past people on the floor right at the start.

look out of the window and tell me again that shot is "right at the start".

Jez boarded the train more than 15 minutes before departure.

That first shot with people on the floor is from a moving train.

As are many of the other shots which claim to be from when Jez first boarded the train.

Edited December 20, 2017 by eFestivals

[eFestivals]

16 minutes ago, feral chile said:

Before anyone points out, I'm aware that the people behind this are not neutral.

and i'm aware that only the most stupid and biased have been taken in by a bigger faked video than anything Branson did.