Brexit Schmexit

[eFestivals]

All the same, I agree with a lot of what Sturgeon has said here.

She's ecven said similar stuff to what i've said about corbyn and brexit, but then she goes and spoils it all when saying that Corbyn is misleading people....

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Or he is now trying to deliberately mislead people with this line that you cannot be in the single market if you are not in the EU. Norway stands as the living proof that that is just not the case.

I think Sturgeon should travel to Scandinavia and spend ten minutes at the busiest Sweden/Norway road border. She might learn something useful.

Edited January 15, 2018 by eFestivals

[eFestivals]

So that's it then. The last great hope of Starmer has bent to Jezza's wishes.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jan/16/labours-keir-starmer-plays-down-chances-of-second-eu-referendum

[zahidf]

9 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

So that's it then. The last great hope of Starmer has bent to Jezza's wishes.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jan/16/labours-keir-starmer-plays-down-chances-of-second-eu-referendum

Nothing knew to what he has always said though?

This came out today:-(

 

[eFestivals]

1 minute ago, zahidf said:

Nothing knew to what he has always said though?

he's been more explicit and less vague/suggestive, and even gives the "cake and eat it" idiocy.

 

1 minute ago, zahidf said:

This came out today:-(

That can be read in two opposite ways.

1. as honest, what it says.

2. the EU is shitting itself about the UK leaving for one reason or another (my guess would be the budget issues, but it might be something else too).

For every remainer those words might have given a bit of hope to, there'll be a leaver who'll be re-hearing the brexiteer words of "they're scared of the UK".

[Guest]

3 hours ago, zahidf said:

 

 

Edited January 16, 2018 by Ommadawn

[feral chile]

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/theresa-may-refuses-to-say-she-would-vote-for-brexit-for-the-second-time/ar-AAuV2hB?ocid=spartanntp
 

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Shortly afterwards Jeremy Corbyn has said he would vote Remain again in a further referendum.

The Labour leader said: “I thought the best option was to remain, I haven’t changed my mind on that.”

 

[eFestivals]

20 hours ago, feral chile said:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/theresa-may-refuses-to-say-she-would-vote-for-brexit-for-the-second-time/ar-AAuV2hB?ocid=spartanntp
 

yeah, Jez - who was voting in the HoC wanting brexit as recently as 2011, and for all of the 30 years before - voted for remain. 

He says.

And he campaigned hard for it. So very hard we can all see the difference with how he campaigned last June.

And now he believes in party democracy where the members decide stuff. 

Except brexit.

He's a principled man.

[zahidf]

1 hour ago, eFestivals said:

yeah, Jez - who was voting in the HoC wanting brexit as recently as 2011, and for all of the 30 years before - voted for remain. 

He says.

And he campaigned hard for it. So very hard we can all see the difference with how he campaigned last June.

And now he believes in party democracy where the members decide stuff. 

Except brexit.

He's a principled man.

Thats weird. I thought Feral was commenting on May not Jez. misread that!

[zahidf]

Macron on Marr: "As you decided to leave you cannot be part of the Single Market."

Exactly what Corbyn says and for which he is constantly derided.

[eFestivals]

1 hour ago, zahidf said:

I thought Feral was commenting on May not Jez. misread that!

May's said more than once that if there was a 2nd vote she wasn't sure she'd vote for brexit. She's consistent about the EU, always definitely for in.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch...

[eFestivals]

9 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Macron on Marr: "As you decided to leave you cannot be part of the Single Market."

Exactly what Corbyn says and for which he is constantly derided.

No, that's not exactly what Corbyn says.

Cos Corbyn says we can have all the benefits but not all of the responsibilities. Does Macron say that?

Edited January 21, 2018 by eFestivals

[lost]

I was more surprised with Macron admitting that if France had a referendum on EU membership it would probably have the same result. I wonder how that will be viewed back in France?

[zahidf]

2 hours ago, eFestivals said:

No, that's not exactly what Corbyn says.

Cos Corbyn says we can have all the benefits but not all of the responsibilities. Does Macron say that?

Thats not what Corbyn was criticised for was he? He was criticised for saying we cant be a member of the EU and part of the single market

[zahidf]

The state of the Tories

 

[eFestivals]

17 hours ago, zahidf said:

Thats not what Corbyn was criticised for was he? He was criticised for saying we cant be a member of the EU and part of the single market

Norway.

(yes, I know it's less in the single market than we are - it has customs posts - but everyone else says it is so I will).

[eFestivals]

58% to 42% for a second referendum

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jan/26/britons-favour-second-referendum-brexit-icm-poll

[eFestivals]

more depressingly tho...

Across all respondents, excluding don't knows, remain leads leave 51% to 49%. 

 

[eFestivals]

It's the Midlands and Wales' wots doing it, still. The bastards.

 

[feral chile]

5 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

It's the Midlands and Wales' wots doing it, still. The bastards.

 

[eFestivals]

Looking thru the detailed results there's a few weird ones...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2018/jan/26/guardian-icm-brexit-poll-full-results

There's 4% of UKIP voters who'd vote remain

And normally, the results all slant the same way, but one jumped out at me that doesn't. Within the "impact on personal finances" question, when split by ethnicity, non-whites think it'll be both more-beneficial and more-negative onto them than whites do. I can see why that's the case, but it still struck me as odd cos it's the opposite of how most other questions go.

 

[eFestivals]

5 minutes ago, feral chile said:

to be fair, they're merely the ones that have a majority for leave, but the differences with some of the majority-remain ones is very marginal.

It's making me query how good the results are, cos I wouldn't have thought the population in those places (and with small margins) was enough to swing the result.

[eFestivals]

I could also say "bastard men", cos they're a majority for leave too.

I was relieved to see I'm in an age demographic that's pro-remain. With the oldies getting all the blame I thought I might not be.

(I'm not enough of an oldie. Yet )

[Guest]

17 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

(I'm not enough of an oldie. Yet )

You will be. Only a matter of time.

[eFestivals]

1 minute ago, Ommadawn said:

You will be. Only a matter of time.

not if I die young (ok, young-ish... erm ... not really old, anyway)

[zahidf]