Game of Thrones

[philipsteak]

5 hours ago, bunique said:

Is anyone staying up/getting up early to watch the last one? I just know some fucker on my commute is going to be watching/talking about it not to mention the spoilerific people on my Facebook (who I’ve mostly hidden for the duration of the series) and will be so pissed off to hear what happens second hand

I start work at 11 on a Monday so always watch it before going in

[Rufus Gwertigan]

Well. That seemed laboured. 

[bunique]

I got up at 5 to watch it. I think Tyrion’s line that nobody is happy so it’s a good compromise probably sums it up. But I actually found it pretty satisfying. 

[FloorFiller]

The plot points themselves weren’t entirely terrible (apart from Jon being sent to the wall - to protect it from what?!) but having them all squeezed in to that one episode seemed like they were just checking off characters one by one - Danny - Dead. Jon - Wall. Bran - King. Sansa - Queen. Everybody else - Advisors. Just a boring episode to reach an ultimate end.

Ah well. It was fun whilst it lasted and for at least 4 seasons was the best thing on TV.

[bunique]

35 minutes ago, FloorFiller said:

apart from Jon being sent to the wall - to protect it from what?!

They answered that in the show - Tyrion said they still needed a place to send thieves and bastards, or something like that. But I thought at the end Jon was riding North to live with the wildlings which to be honest was where he was always happiest, so makes sense 

[bunique]

Anyway, Tyrion ended up the real king and that’s fine by me. 

[FloorFiller]

3 hours ago, bunique said:

They answered that in the show - Tyrion said they still needed a place to send thieves and bastards, or something like that. But I thought at the end Jon was riding North to live with the wildlings which to be honest was where he was always happiest, so makes sense 

I must’ve missed that bit, but it still makes no sense. The unsullied, who were the ones who were enforcing his punishment, fucked off on boats and Jon’s family has the throne.. Surely they’d just be like ‘never mind, Grey Worm has left now so you can stay’.

If this is the basic plot of the ending that happens in the books then I’m sure it’ll be fleshed out a lot more, but this season finale really just rushed in to giving each character some form of story that didn’t involve them all just living happily ever after together at Kings Landing.

[HeyPorter]

Feel like GRRM has got the final two books ready to go and has been happy for the show to end before them, we’ll get the real ending. Overall it wasn’t a bad finale, my main gripe was with the small council which looked like it was chosen for laughs. Season MVP definitely  Ramin Djawadi. 

[FloorFiller]

Also Dany’s death seemed weirdly anticlimactic/meaningless - nobody seemed to give that much of a shit and they were all shooting the shit about the next possible ruler in like the next scene. 

[Chef]

A small group of privileged individuals get to choose the next leader from a number of below par options without asking the people and no body is really happy about any of it. 

Enough of the breakfast news - I actually thought was a reasonable ending in the grand scheme of things. After a fairly disappointing season it could have been much worse. 

[st dan]

Assuming there was only ever going to the these final 6 episodes and there was no extra time or budget for more episodes for significant character/plot developments - then I think they should have just scrapped the first two episodes of this series (where literally nothing happened) and had ‘The Long Night’ battle as the first episode. The next 5 episodes could then have been developing the subsequent storylines a bit more e.g. the turning of Daenerys. 

Personally I don’t think the final outcomes were disappointing at all, and the production and acting throughout was superb - just with a bit more padding out it could have been much more positively received. These negative reviews completely slating the series seen a little much, although undeniably it could have been better. 

[feral chile]

6 hours ago, bunique said:

They answered that in the show - Tyrion said they still needed a place to send thieves and bastards, or something like that. But I thought at the end Jon was riding North to live with the wildlings which to be honest was where he was always happiest, so makes sense 

Was he just escorting them home?

So Varys wasn't able to reach anyone with his latters then.

His death seems a waste, given Tyrion and Jon's later actions.

I'm not happy with Daenerys' story arc. I'm uncomfortable with her getting killed by the inly person she trusted.

Drogon melting the thrine was awesome, very symbolic.

More sense than all the humans.

 

[bunique]

51 minutes ago, feral chile said:

I'm uncomfortable with her getting killed by the inly person she trusted.

But she didn’t trust him. The second she knew he had a claim on her throne he was toast. Several characters told him so in that episode!

[luckysalt]

Found that as a finale of everything, very unsatisfying. 

It was all just so predictable. 

The whole Jon arc was just, I dunno, you were watching it, its bubbling, Greyworm and Jon tension, Dany and Jon, then no conflict between them he just stab her, I wanted her to lose it with him first and them rage at each other. So you were robbed of that, after stabbing her not even any last words from her, then I was like Greyworm is going to come in whats going to happen, it just skipped to Jon being in jail for ages, like bollocks, they would have tried to kill him, who was there to police that, who would have locked him up? They all wanted him dead.

I can pick apart and pick apart but I'll say what I liked - that Sansa couldn't give up power and came out with some bullshit and become Queen, I liked Arya wanted to continue adventuring, both those were believable, If Jon has left nightswatch and gone to be with the wildlings that is great also, a fitting end for him.

I just feel the Jon/Dany blow off was poor. 

Edited May 20, 2019 by luckysalt

[fred quimby]

Damn I was nearly correct in the first GoT thread. I said it would be Brann on the iron throne.  

Mind you I had him naked covered in tattoes screaming while controlling the dragons. 

Not a bad wrap up all in all

 And wow they seemed to build kingslanding quickly. Wish I had builders like that.

Was hoping Brienne was just going to write. Right c**t.

Really enjoyed the whole 8 seasons overall.

Edited May 20, 2019 by fred quimby

[luckysalt]

Another thing, I wanted to see more with Sam. He was just there, made a remark and everyone just laughed at him and thats it. I wanted him respected DAMMIT!

I wanted to see him with Gilly and the kids also have a embrace with Jon before he left also. 

[lost]

I can get over the John / Dany stuff being rushed (if the stories are true about budget/ episode constraints)  but again my main criticism of this series is the same. It sort of felt like a different show which maybe ok in its own right had been transplanted into game of thrones.

Its always been a show about politics which just happens to be set in a fantasy world and what fundamentally drives the plot is the political decisions of the characters. Again these decisions made no sense.

 Firstly I assume John / Tryion have been in prison for a number of weeks judging by the beard and the unsullied have been running the place. They then seem happy to piss off and hand the city over because someone who just betrayed their queen and they hate made a really good speech about who should be king when they were baying for his blood moments earlier.

Why does Sansa get independence with no argument from the other lords (I believe the iron islands had also been independent before? ) and she has less of a reason when Ned Starks son is in charge.

In fact no argument from the lords doesn't seem in keeping with the books, most of them there wouldn't have a clue what Bran's "magical powers" are.

Finally Arya deciding to go off and discover America felt a bit weird. I don't think they could work out what to do with her character. When her sister has to go back t`up north tell all the lords what has happen to Jon and try and rule wouldn't she be more worried about protecting her?

Edited May 20, 2019 by lost

[Wooderson]

It just wasnt very good. Feel sorry for Emilia Clarke. She poured her soul into that character.

[fred quimby]

43 minutes ago, Wooderson said:

It just wasnt very good. Feel sorry for Emilia Clarke. She poured her soul into that character.

I'm sure she is fine. Very sweet that you're thinking of her though

[bunique]

2 hours ago, lost said:

I can get over the John / Dany stuff being rushed (if the stories are true about budget/ episode constraints)  but again my main criticism of this series is the same. It sort of felt like a different show which maybe ok in its own right had been transplanted into game of thrones.

Its always been a show about politics which just happens to be set in a fantasy world and what fundamentally drives the plot is the political decisions of the characters. Again these decisions made no sense.

 Firstly I assume John / Tryion have been in prison for a number of weeks judging by the beard and the unsullied have been running the place. They then seem happy to piss off and hand the city over because someone who just betrayed their queen and they hate made a really good speech about who should be king when they were baying for his blood moments earlier.

Why does Sansa get independence with no argument from the other lords (I believe the iron islands had also been independent before? ) and she has less of a reason when Ned Starks son is in charge.

In fact no argument from the lords doesn't seem in keeping with the books, most of them there wouldn't have a clue what Bran's "magical powers" are.

Finally Arya deciding to go off and discover America felt a bit weird. I don't think they could work out what to do with her character. When her sister has to go back t`up north tell all the lords what has happen to Jon and try and rule wouldn't she be more worried about protecting her?

Just rewatching it and my read on it is that killing Jon would have caused another war 

[Wooderson]

Its a binfire. They just wanted to be finished with it and go make oodles of cash knocking off some more star wars tat.

[bunique]

Half the people on the platform are either related to Sansa, swore an oath to her or served as her advisor. Maybe that’s why nobody said no. 

[ThomThomDrum]

Meh...

Quite the limp ending. Don’t think I’m going to miss it much at this stage...

I do miss the way it made me feel and think years ago. The change in pacing over the seasons was were it began to lose its way for me.

Enjoyed so much of it, and so many different aspects of it over the 8 seasons, but in the end the project was too big to be any where near perfection.... 

 

[Gnomicide]

I found it.... satisfactory. 

[Sasperella]

9 hours ago, Gnomicide said:

I found it.... satisfactory. 

Me too. Bittersweet (which I believe is how GRR Martin explained the ending). Maybe I enjoyed it more as we watched it as a group of five and all really liked it. It helps to not have a cynic spoiling all the fun

I particularly liked how her death in the throne room means that her vision of walking through the throne room in the snow (in the house of the undying?) Was actually a premonition about her death. 

10 hours ago, bunique said:

Half the people on the platform are either related to Sansa, swore an oath to her or served as her advisor. Maybe that’s why nobody said no. 

This is a great point!!!!! Had thought that scene was a bit weird, but it makes perfect sense.

I except that it was a bit rushed, but have no issue with any of the character arcs. Sure, I was surprised that Tyrion said Bran should get the throne, but actually it makes sense - and it's not like it's a theory no one has ever discussed. And of course I think that Jon got totally shafted, but being not happy with how some character ended up does not mean it was a bad show. As for Dany, how else was that going to end? Her being good and amazing and ruling everything happily ever after? What a yawn fest that would have been.

I rarely invest time in TV, and have only watched three shows from start to finish. One was Lost, which I'm still livid about god knows how many years later. And even in the perfection that is The Wire, that fucking McNulty storyline from the last series is a million times more ridiculous than anything the Thrones writers bothered us with.

I have zero regrets, and would happily watch the whole thing again

Edited May 21, 2019 by Sasperella