Is it OK to book bands who sing about killing Tories?

[Hugh Jass]

Either everything is ok or nothing is.

[Mr.Tease]

I remember when they cancelled Fur Q’s slot following a similar controversy- a sad day

Edited June 2, 2019 by Mr.Tease

[Homer]

25 minutes ago, Mawson said:

Seems Glastonbury disagree with most on here!

 

 

I'm confused: does this mean I should or shouldn't kill some Tories?

[Homer]

Just now, Mr.Tease said:

 

 

 

[The Red Telephone]

9 hours ago, Mardy said:

If nothing else, it’s reminded me of this beauty

 

 

Christ! Haven’t heard that in 25 years - bought it on cassette single!

“GILL SHEPHERD HAS AN APPALLING UNEMPLOYMENT RECORD”

[gratefulbread]

I remember Mani saying something on live TV before one primal scream appearance that they were going to go and "stone some fucking hippies to death" or something like that. Was taken well at the time ?

[Quark]

Eesh. I don't like the sentiment as it's the flip side of the same shitty coin that is the language of hate that just fills everything at the moment.

But not do I like the censorship and cancellation. Whoever named Voltaire has the point of it.

But I can see Glastonbury Festival as an entity being between a rock and a hard place. They dont oversee the booking of every single act, and when something like this comes on the radar, especially with the inclusive nature of the festival and their response to the Jo Cox murder, I can understand they'd maybe take a dim view.

Fuck me this world is just horrible at the moment

[stuartbert two hats]

8 hours ago, gigpusher said:

Is it ok for the BBC to have them on their playlist whilst simultaneously complaining about Glastonbury booking them? I personally don't think it's good to kill anyone. I do also believe in freedom of speech. It's complex. 

I suppose Voltaire (at least we think he was the originator of the quote) applies here:

I Disapprove of What You Say, But I Will Defend to the Death Your Right to Say It

I also think you can say what you want and people have every right to criticise you for saying it. 

Voltaire can fuck right off. If he ever had to use Twitter he'd change his mind.

[Quark]

2 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Voltaire can fuck right off. If he ever had to use Twitter he'd change his mind.

Fair point

[marcoolio]

3 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Voltaire can fuck right off. If he ever had to use Twitter he'd change his mind.

To be fair to Voltaire, he never actually said it.

It comes from a 1906 biography by Evelyn Beatrice Hall, in which it was intended to represent a summary of his thinking on free speech issues. “I did not mean to imply,” she wrote later, “that Voltaire used these words verbatim.”

[Losing my hair]

25 minutes ago, Homer said:

 

I'm confused: does this mean I should or shouldn't kill some Tories?

You can, but only in the privacy of your own home and not at Glastonbury - unless of course they attack you and it's an act of self defence.

[Quark]

1 minute ago, marcoolio said:

To be fair to Voltaire, he never actually said it.

It comes from a 1906 biography by Evelyn Beatrice Hall, in which it was intended to represent a summary of his thinking on free speech issues. “I did not mean to imply,” she wrote later, “that Voltaire used these words verbatim.”

Every day is a school day!

[VCK]

Fat White Family should be banned from the festival, not because they talk about wanting to kill Tories, but because their music is garbage.

[CaledonianGonzo]

He didn't say that either.

[stuartbert two hats]

2 minutes ago, marcoolio said:

To be fair to Voltaire, he never actually said it.

It comes from a 1906 biography by Evelyn Beatrice Hall, in which it was intended to represent a summary of his thinking on free speech issues. “I did not mean to imply,” she wrote later, “that Voltaire used these words verbatim.”

In that case Evelyn Beatrice Hall is also on my shit list. I'm sick of giving Nazis platforms.

[Dave_c]

9 minutes ago, Quark said:

Eesh. I don't like the sentiment as it's the flip side of the same shitty coin that is the language of hate that just fills everything at the moment.

But not do I like the censorship and cancellation. Whoever named Voltaire has the point of it.

But I can see Glastonbury Festival as an entity being between a rock and a hard place. They dont oversee the booking of every single act, and when something like this comes on the radar, especially with the inclusive nature of the festival and their response to the Jo Cox murder, I can understand they'd maybe take a dim view.

Fuck me this world is just horrible at the moment

The world is just fine, people need to stop finding reasons to be offended and realise we don't live in a utopian society where nobody can be offended. Remember that sticks and stones rhyme? Clearly they don't teach that anymore.

[Chris Wilders Moretti]

1 minute ago, VCK said:

Fat White Family should be banned from the festival, not because they talk about wanting to kill Tories, but because their music is garbage.

It would be a pretty w*nk festival if the only acts booked were ones that you personally approved of

[Losing my hair]

3 minutes ago, VCK said:

Fat White Family should be banned from the festival, not because they talk about wanting to kill Tories, but because their music is garbage.

I think you may be confused, Garbage are a completely different band.

[CaledonianGonzo]

3 minutes ago, Dave_c said:

The world is just fine, people need to stop finding reasons to be offended and realise we don't live in a utopian society where nobody can be offended. Remember that sticks and stones rhyme? Clearly they don't teach that anymore.

Cos it's bollocks?

[VCK]

7 minutes ago, Chris Wilders Moretti said:

It would be a pretty w*nk festival if the only acts booked were ones that you personally approved of

In my opinion it would be the best festival going.  

5 minutes ago, Losing my hair said:

I think you may be confused, Garbage are a completely different band.

Garbage, now there's a good band.

[Dave_c]

5 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

Cos it's bollocks?

It isn't though is it.  Every single person will be offended by a multitude of different things, what offends you may not offend me, it's impossible to cater for that unless we all walk around with signs round our necks with the list of things that may offend us.

Edited June 2, 2019 by Dave_c

[Chris Wilders Moretti]

Anarchist punk bands have been singing about this shit for 40 years

The daily mail and their ilk have been creating moral panics about it for the same amount of time

disappointed Glastonbury has caved to the pressure 

Although what is punk if its not being banned?

[VCK]

This is the song in question that led to Killdren being banned:

I mean, they're not wrong in their criticisms of the Tories, but Jesus, this is like something out of Nathan Barley. And the lyrics are as if they were penned by a teenager who has just discovered left wing politics for the first time.

Edited June 2, 2019 by VCK

[mashedonmud]

? I like banned things.

[CaledonianGonzo]

Just now, Dave_c said:

It isn't though is it.  Every single person will be offended by a multitude of different things, what offends you may not offend me, it's impossible to cater for that. 

It's not about offence though. It's about the context in which the words are used.  Punching up is generally ok, punching down generally isn't.  Words can be used to harass or intimidate vulnerable people.  They're not just meaningless noise.

The sticks and stones rhyme is to help children who're being bullied feel better - not a code to live by.