Football 19/20

[eastynh]

Just now, eFestivals said:

so like Foden, then. 

 

Foden played in and was the star man in a final yesterday. None of the others would get a place on the bench.

[jyoung]

Grealish is carrying Aston Villa and would be fantastic for England. Not having that.

[eFestivals]

15 minutes ago, eastynh said:

Foden played in and was the star man in a final yesterday. None of the others would get a place on the bench.

but he's (what you said) still not near City's first team, cos he's very definitely not a first choice for City's strongest team.

[jyoung]

Stick Foden in that Villa team instead of Jack and then you'll realise how good Grealish is. 

[Hugh Jass]

28 minutes ago, eastynh said:

Foden played in and was the star man in a final yesterday. None of the others would get a place on the bench.

Where was the great Foden in Madrid last week?

[eastynh]

50 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

but he's (what you said) still not near City's first team, cos he's very definitely not a first choice for City's strongest team.

 

42 minutes ago, jyoung said:

Stick Foden in that Villa team instead of Jack and then you'll realise how good Grealish is. 

 

37 minutes ago, Hugh Jass said:

Where was the great Foden in Madrid last week?

You lot are undermining Foden by comparing him to KDB, Bernardo, David Silva and Gundagon. It is not them 4 he is competing with for a place in the England squad. It is Mount, Barkley, Gealish, Alli and Maddison.

Now on the same pitch as Grealish yesterday, Foden looked a far more intelligent player. Better touch, better awareness. Grealish tries to do everything on his own, loses possession. He is just nowhere near as intelligent a footballer.

As for Mount and Maddison. They have both played in the same yourh teams as Foden. Despite being years younger, Foden outshone both quite easily.

Barkley is not first choice at Chelsea and looks a bit of a headless chicken

Alli will go on experience.

[Hugh Jass]

12 minutes ago, eastynh said:

 

 

You lot are undermining Foden by comparing him to KDB, Bernardo, David Silva and Gundagon. It is not them 4 he is competing with for a place in the England squad. It is Mount, Barkley, Gealish, Alli and Maddison.

Now on the same pitch as Grealish yesterday, Foden looked a far more intelligent player. Better touch, better awareness. Grealish tries to do everything on his own, loses possession. He is just nowhere near as intelligent a footballer.

As for Mount and Maddison. They have both played in the same yourh teams as Foden. Despite being years younger, Foden outshone both quite easily.

Barkley is not first choice at Chelsea and looks a bit of a headless chicken

Alli will go on experience.

Those guys you mention actually play football regularly. Like, top flight football.

[Hugh Jass]

I bet the French, Germans and Spanish were shitting themselves watching the Carabao Cup final.

[eastynh]

Just now, Hugh Jass said:

Those guys you mention actually play football regularly. Like, top flight football.

And what? So you would take players who are less capable because they play regular first team football, in worst teams?

England are crying out for a creative left footed midfielder. Someone with good touch and vision. Hey ho we have one but people don't want to give him a chance because hes not playing regulary for City.

He was player of the tournament at the under 17 world cup. He got in the team of the tournament at the under 17 Euros. He was Englands best player at the Under 21 tournament in the summer, despite being 18 and playing with and against players upto 5 years older than him. Yesterday he got man if the match in a major cup final at Wembley. Which is more than Barkley, Alli, Maddison, Mount and Grealish have achieved combined in their entire careers.

You take your best players to tournamants. Foden is better, even at 19 years of age than all the players vying for a place in his position.

He has stood out at every age group. Now he is doing it on the big stage against men, even though he is only 19.

He could have gone on loanand played loads of matches this season. He will learn more playing alongside the players he has at City, even though his time has been limited.

There is absolutely nothing to lose with bringing him in for a friendly or a training squad. 

 

[eastynh]

17 minutes ago, Hugh Jass said:

I bet the French, Germans and Spanish were shitting themselves watching the Carabao Cup final.

Who would you pick above him and why? Whst part of their games are better and more suited to England?

Which one of these  England players are good enough to take Fodens squad place at City and are they good enough to get in the first team in front of Silva, Silva, KDB and Gundagon??

Edited March 2, 2020 by eastynh

[Hugh Jass]

9 minutes ago, eastynh said:

Who would you pick above him and why? Whst part of their games are better and more suited to England?

Which one of these  England players are good enough to take Fodens squad place at City and are they good enough to get in the first team in front of Silva, Silva, KDB and Gundagon??

I would pick any player who has played regular PL and/or European football over a kid who while undoubtedly has promise has shown little to demonstrate he can play on the biggest stages (no, the Carabao Cup final doesn’t count). It’s a move on a par with Sven taking Walcott in 2006.

I like you Easty, I like your takes on the Glastonbury forum. But the last few weeks have shown that you are so one eyed when it comes to all things City there’s little point conversing with you.

[eastynh]

8 minutes ago, Hugh Jass said:

I would pick any player who has played regular PL and/or European football over a kid who while undoubtedly has promise has shown little to demonstrate he can play on the biggest stages (no, the Carabao Cup final doesn’t count). It’s a move on a par with Sven taking Walcott in 2006.

I like you Easty, I like your takes on the Glastonbury forum. But the last few weeks have shown that you are so one eyed when it comes to all things City there’s little point conversing with you.

Hugh did you watch England in the under 21 tounament summer?

Now I asked football related questions. I asked you what qualities Fodens competitors have over him. What makes them a better fit for England. You can't answer that. All you say is that Foden is not playing regulary. I asked you if any of the alternatives are good enough to play regulary for City, you have not answered that either.

Now you are saying the Carabou cup final does not count. What does count?

This situation is nothing like Walcott. Walcott was nowhere near as highly rated as Foden is.

Edited March 2, 2020 by eastynh

[kaosmark2]

1 hour ago, jyoung said:

Stick Foden in that Villa team instead of Jack and then you'll realise how good Grealish is. 

Yup. I'd take Grealish over Alli and start him every game.

I do agree with Easty that Foden's better than Mount/Barkley. I wouldn't have a problem with him playing some squads over the next couple of months, but to earmark him for the Euros feels premature.

[kaosmark2]

3 minutes ago, eastynh said:

This situation is nothing like Walcott. Walcott was nowhere near as highly rated as Foden is.

Walcott was far higher rated by fans outside his own team.

[Hugh Jass]

Just now, eastynh said:

Hugh did you watch England in the under 21 tounament summer?

Now I football related questions. I asked you what qualities Fodens competitors have over him. What makes them a better fit for England. You can't answer that. All you say is that Foden is not playing regulary. I asked you if any of the alternatives are good enough to play regulary for City, you have not answered that either.

Now you are saying the Carabou cup final does not count. What does count?

This situation is nothing like Walcott. Walcott was nowhere near as highly rated as Foden is.

That’s the problem, I can’t answer any questions in comparison between Foden and the others because we haven’t seen him play enough to make the comparison! There is no evidence to suggest Foden can trouble the best teams in Europe because he hasn’t been given the chance to. Whether anyone else can is irrelevant, but at least Grealish, Maddison, Mount, Alli, etc have performed regularly to a high standard in the PL this year (ok, maybe not Alli). It’s more than Foden has done.

You have an opinion that he’s ready, and that’s fine, but it’s just an opinion. You can’t present it as fact. 

[Hugh Jass]

Just now, kaosmark2 said:

Walcott was far higher rated by fans outside his own team.

It would be taking a barely tested teenager to a major tournament... Where is the difference here?

[TheGayTent]

1 minute ago, kaosmark2 said:

Walcott was far higher rated by fans outside his own team.

There’s nowt as queer as folk

[eastynh]

 

 

7 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

Walcott was far higher rated by fans outside his own team.

I don't remember Walcott getting player of the tournament at youth level world cups or BBC young sports personality of the year.

7 minutes ago, Hugh Jass said:

That’s the problem, I can’t answer any questions in comparison between Foden and the others because we haven’t seen him play enough to make the comparison! There is no evidence to suggest Foden can trouble the best teams in Europe because he hasn’t been given the chance to. Whether anyone else can is irrelevant, but at least Grealish, Maddison, Mount, Alli, etc have performed regularly to a high standard in the PL this year (ok, maybe not Alli). It’s more than Foden has done.

You have an opinion that he’s ready, and that’s fine, but it’s just an opinion. You can’t present it as fact. 

Would Grealish,  Maddison, Alli, Mount or Barkley play on a regular basis for City. You are saying Foden is not good enough without having seen him play. I have seen him play quite a lot. I have also seen him play in tournaments along side Maddison and Mount. Foden was head and shoulders above both, it was not even close.

[Hugh Jass]

Just now, eastynh said:

 

 

I don't remember Walcott getting player of the tournament at youth level world cups or BBC young sports personality of the year.

Would Grealish,  Maddison, Alli, Mount or Barkley play on a regular basis for City. You are saying Foden is not good enough without having seen him play. I have seen him play quite a lot. I have also seen him play in tournaments along side Maddison and Mount. Foden was head and shoulders above both, it was not even close.

If Foden can’t play on a regular basis for City then why should the others be expected to?

[thetime]

Foden should of went out on loan to gain minutes to a villa, palace, Southampton. Pep obviously doesn't think his ready for the premier league, let alone international football.

[eFestivals]

1 minute ago, eastynh said:

 

 

I don't remember Walcott getting player of the tournament at youth level world cups or BBC young sports personality of the year.

Would Grealish,  Maddison, Alli, Mount or Barkley play on a regular basis for City. You are saying Foden is not good enough without having seen him play. I have seen him play quite a lot. I have also seen him play in tournaments along side Maddison and Mount. Foden was head and shoulders above both, it was not even close.

if he'#s as good as you say, congratulations to City for finally bringing thru a player.  

[jyoung]

Barkley has been crap for Chelsea, I'd have no qualms with him missing out on a Euros spot. Mount deserves to go imo. Relentless energy and works well in a pressing team. Also can play anywhere across the midfield and is more attacking than some other English midfielders. Not saying he is a guaranteed starter or anything though. Tbh, I reckon Grealish and Madders have surely earned their spots. Alli hasn't been great but probably has to be there. Winks doesn't offer enough imo, Delph should be nowhere near, Dier no chance. Hendo has to be on the plane. Decisions, decisions, decisions.

[thetime]

Only liverpool have guaranteed champions league football next season, who will get the other 3 places?

I'm going for Wolves, united, chelsea.

[Hugh Jass]

My view on the squad, and this is who I think will go not who I think should go (fitness permitting);

Pickford, Pope, Henderson 

TAA, Trippier, Maguire, Stones, Gomez, Mings, Chilwell, 

Winks, Rice, Henderson, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Grealish, Mount, Alli, Delph

Kane, Rashford, Sterling, Sancho, Abraham

Defensively we are lacking.

[eFestivals]

21 minutes ago, thetime said:

Only liverpool have guaranteed champions league football next season, who will get the other 3 places?

I'm going for Wolves, united, chelsea.

no Leicester?

They've dropped off with their form, but I don't expect them to drop down to 6th. It's not like there's hot form from any of the chasing pack.