Corona Virus - Should we be worried?

[august1]

39 minutes ago, 5co77ie said:

WHO just declared it a global pandemic

 

https://www.mylondon.news/news/uk-world-news/coronavirus-covid-19-declared-global-17858887

They'll just cancel it if offered Glastonbury again

[JSmurphy]

2 minutes ago, dotdash79 said:

Our work have banned international travel for work, and have asked that people don’t travel between offices. 
we’ve all been told that we need to take our laptops home every night. 

Yup, same here. 

[5co77ie]

Copy and pasted thanks to CHRIS TOFU

 

VIRUS NEWS- If youre working in events and like us trying not panic like me , heres the latest from AIF for event organisers

• The virus is going to become more difficult to contain. The UK has 36 declared cases as of yesterday, and the numbers will go up, but it's unclear how fast they will rise. It looks less and less likely that we will be able to contain this virus. In a period of time that's undetermined (weeks and months, not years), activity will continue in the UK, with the virus continuing to spread for up to five months.

• We don't know if the virus behaves like a flu and disappears in the summer, or it's non seasonal. We also don't know if it will arrive and disappear, or just become a respiratory virus that becomes something regular like flu and colds.

• Approx. 98% of people develop cold / flu like symptoms and are ill for around a week. There are no drugs or vaccines on the horizon, but 98+% of people just get better. Those most likely to develop a severe illness are those with an underlying health concern and the elderly.

• Viruses are mainly transmitted through being in close proximity with people (<2m) and are mostly transmitted in three ways – large droplets; fine particles; touching of surfaces

• The current advice is that cancelling events is not necessary but with the caveat that the virus is likely to spread, so this advice is clearly subject to change. To reiterate, events and mass gatherings should not be regarded as on the table for closure, or off the table for closure – they will look at the evidence as the situation unfolds but there is no clear rationale at this time for closing events.

• They advised following guidelines from the Department of Health and the Foreign Office with regards to international travel.

I also spoke with our lawyers Lewis Silkin on Friday regarding cancellation / postponement and refund scenarios, T&Cs best practice on communicable diseases, force majeure and supplier implications / disruption to the supply chain. We’re getting a festival specific one / two pager together with advice, in the meantime they have published this general article on their site that you may find helpful-

 

https://www.lewissilkin.com/en/insights/counting-the-cost-of-the-coronavirus

[Mr.Tease]

This is pathetic:

 

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Health officials in France say around 8,300 masks and 1,200 bottles of sanitising health gel have been stolen from Paris hospitals.

Another 2,000 surgery masks have disappeared from a hospital in Marseilles. 

The French government says it will take legal measures to rein in the soaring prices being demanded for bottles of hand gel.

Anyone wanting to buy masks from a pharmacy will have to get a medical prescription.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/04/coronavirus-live-updates-who-global-recession-fears-update-latest-news?page=with:block-5e5fb8968f085f0b8d941e84#block-5e5fb8968f085f0b8d941e84

[morph100]

Ok so worst case scenario it gets cancelled then what? We all come on here get battered watch old clips and chat shit? 

[Havors]

I think its about time the MSM start explaining what the virus is and that only a very very small amount of the population will get it and most who get it will just have a bloody cold. At the moment they are just sensationalising eveything like the human race is about to wiped out... which in turn leads to idiots panic buying which will end up causing more problems than the virus itself. 

[Havors]

2 minutes ago, morph100 said:

Ok so worst case scenario it gets cancelled then what? We all come on here get battered watch old clips and chat shit? 

We all just turn up in the fields anyway and make our own music and party. 

[Quark]

4 minutes ago, morph100 said:

Ok so worst case scenario it gets cancelled then what? We all come on here get battered watch old clips and chat shit? 

Basically it'll be a 3-day Brits night

[wilby-wilbert]

18 minutes ago, JSmurphy said:

Yup, same here. 

Someone working in our london office has the virus. They closed down the floor they work on to do a "deep clean" yesterday

[Deaf Nobby Burton]

If Glastonbury is cancelled, then you would assume every other festival will be too? Or at least every other camping festival? And if not then I guess they’d put some arbitrary attendance figure on what gets cancelled and what doesn’t?

But let’s say they set that at 100k, Glastonbury gets cancelled but loads of others don’t, but then cumulatively all the ones that don’t get cancelled would have a much higher attendance figure than Glastonbury so collectively will still create a bigger issue than Glastonbury on its own, so basically that would be pointless as well.

So realistically it has to be all or none, but what would happen then? Surely you’d get (illegal?) mass gatherings set up all over the place anyway?

Edited March 4, 2020 by Deaf Nobby Burton

[Dave85radiohead]

Is it wrong to hope that people stressing about coronavirus might result in lots of extra resale tickets?

[AlexOvd]

1 minute ago, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

If Glastonbury is cancelled, then you would assume every other festival will be too? Or at least every other camping festival? And if not then I guess they’d put some arbitrary attendance figure on what gets cancelled and what doesn’t?

But let’s say they set that at 100k, Glastonbury gets cancelled but loads of others don’t, but then cumulatively all the ones that don’t get cancelled would have a much higher attendance figure than Glastonbury so collectively will still create a bigger issue than Glastonbury in its own, so basically that would pointless as well.

So realistically it has to be all or none, but what would happen then? Surely you’d get (illegal?) mass gatherings set up all over the place anyway?

I doubt all the festivals in Europe will be cancelled honestly.

[gooner1990]

1 minute ago, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

If Glastonbury is cancelled, then you would assume every other festival will be too? Or at least every other camping festival? And if not then I guess they’d put some arbitrary attendance figure on what gets cancelled and what doesn’t?

But let’s say they set that at 100k, Glastonbury gets cancelled but loads of others don’t, but then cumulatively all the ones that don’t get cancelled would have a much higher attendance figure than Glastonbury so collectively will still create a bigger issue than Glastonbury on its own, so basically that would be pointless as well.

So realistically it has to be all or none, but what would happen then? Surely you’d get (illegal?) mass gatherings set up all over the place anyway?

If things like Glastonbury are to be cancelled then why haven't all current major sporting events such as football been cancelled too?

[northernringo]

3 minutes ago, gooner1990 said:

If things like Glastonbury are to be cancelled then why haven't all current major sporting events such as football been cancelled too?

I think people are talking about if there are 1000s of cases in England come June what will happen.

The fact is, at the minute, there aren't so current sporting events won't be affected in the UK.

In Italy, they are being affected a fair bit - Serie A games will be played behind closed doors and the cup semi-finals have been postponed. In Asia, events such as Hong Kong 7s, Chinese Grand Prix and Thailand Moto GP have all been cancelled or postponed.

[Deaf Nobby Burton]

4 minutes ago, gooner1990 said:

If things like Glastonbury are to be cancelled then why haven't all current major sporting events such as football been cancelled too?

I’m not saying it is or isn’t to be cancelled, but there is a lot of anxiety on here that if things worsen then there is a risk it might be cancelled.

My point was simply if the Government step in and force it to be cancelled surely that means ALL festivals (in the uk) have to be cancelled... and that happens then? Mass illegal gatherings of people that pick up on the newly created demand l?

[Colorblindjames]

>>If things like Glastonbury are to be cancelled then why haven't all current major sporting events such as football been cancelled too?

Glastonbury wont be much good behind closed doors. 

The footy can cope as people will be happy to watch on telly.

[Gilb]

You have to bear in mind that the festival organisers are also relying on infrastructure sub-contractors and companies that individually have to make their own judgement on whether they can work for GFL whilst putting their own employees/contractors at risk of catching the virus.

How would they be covered if their workers got very ill working at the festival when they had the option of pulling out as a precaution?

With something on the scale of Glasto, losing say 25% of these services could severely hamper efforts to get the place up and running in the first place.

All these types of logistical obstacles stand in the way. This applies to any major event or gathering. In many cases it's probably easier to cancel.

Edited March 4, 2020 by Gilb

[wonker]

2 minutes ago, northernringo said:

I think people are talking about if there are 1000s of cases in England come June what will happen.

The fact is, at the minute, there aren't so current sporting events won't be affected in the UK.

In Italy, they are being affected a fair bit - Serie A games will be played behind closed doors and the cup semi-finals have been postponed. In Asia, events such as Hong Kong 7s, Chinese Grand Prix and Thailand Moto GP have all been cancelled or postponed.

I'm willing to bet that by June we'll be well into the hundreds of thousands.

[hfuhruhurr]

For those who are saying "this is just a bloody cold" then try to imagine you're over 80 or that someone you love is over 80. The confirmed case death rate for over 80s is 20%. That's not trivial, so please don't make light of this. There's no need to panic, but there's every need to care for the weak and elderly.

[squirrelarmy]

2 minutes ago, wonker said:

I'm willing to bet that by June we'll be well into the hundreds of thousands.

And by that point cancelling Glastonbury won’t do a thing to make a difference. 

[Deaf Nobby Burton]

3 minutes ago, Gilb said:

You have to bear in mind that the festival organisers are also relying on infrastructure sub-contractors and companies that individually have to make their own judgement on whether they can work for GFL whilst putting their own employees/contractors at risk of catching the virus.

How would they be covered if their workers got very ill working at the festival when they had the option of pulling out as a precaution?

With something on the scale of Glasto, losing say 25% of these services could severely hamper efforts to get the place up and running in the first place.

All these types of logistical obstetrical stand in the way. This applies to any major event or gathering. In many cases it's probably easier to cancel.

I sort of made this point in the other thread. On one hand the government could force a cancellation, but on the other GFL may reach a point where that have to cancel it themselves as it’s simply unviable, due to acts/contractors pulling out in a big enough scale.

Edited March 4, 2020 by Deaf Nobby Burton

[Splatt]

13 minutes ago, gooner1990 said:

If things like Glastonbury are to be cancelled then why haven't all current major sporting events such as football been cancelled too?

They will in time. There is no need to currently as it doesn't have a great deal of impact on the number of infections currently and the services can deal with the number of ill etc. It's important that people can be infected in a controlled manner as it's now a case of when not if they will become infected i.e. regardless of control measures the % people ultimately infected by the virus will be largely the same, it can no longer be stopped - the focus is ensuring that whatever the ultimate % of people infected turns out to be, they don't all become ill in the space of 1-3 months. I know people don't like to hear this but the dice have now been rolled and if you believe in science and epidemiological modelling it's very hard to see it otherwise. 

Edited March 4, 2020 by Splatt

[whitehorses]

1 minute ago, Gilb said:

You have to bear in mind that the festival organisers are also relying on infrastructure sub-contractors and companies that individually have to make their own judgement on whether they can work for GFL whilst putting their own employees/contractors at risk of catching the virus.

How would they be covered if their workers got very ill working at the festival when they had the option of pulling out as a precaution?

Yes, risky, yet there’s a very large ecosystem of freelancers, artisans, and contractors who literally wouldn’t survive financially if all festivals - and the rest of the cultural calendar - were to be cancelled. People not on the luxury of a steady salary, sick leave, blah blah. 
 

It’s hard to see how we just shut down all this stuff...

[Havors]

4 minutes ago, wonker said:

I'm willing to bet that by June we'll be well into the hundreds of thousands.

China hasnt even gotten into the hundreds of thousands.... 

[northernringo]

4 minutes ago, hfuhruhurr said:

For those who are saying "this is just a bloody cold" then try to imagine you're over 80 or that someone you love is over 80. The confirmed case death rate for over 80s is 20%. That's not trivial, so please don't make light of this. There's no need to panic, but there's every need to care for the weak and elderly.

I agree with the majority of your post but where have you got that statistic from?