Corona Virus - Should we be worried?

[lukethekid]

2 minutes ago, Hugh Jass said:

Ladies and gentlemen.... Jim Corr!

 

The blood brain barrier, didn’t they play John Peel last year? 

[Hugh Jass]

Just now, lukethekid said:

The blood brain barrier, didn’t they play John Peel last year? 

It’s proper, next level lunacy.

[squirrelarmy]

Bad news people. Although we shouldn’t rule out other forms of medication. 
 

[wilby-wilbert]

13 hours ago, charlierc said:

Given it still went ahead in 2005 and 2016 and I gathered there was some hideous weather in the run-up to that, I dread to think what the weather would need to be like for it to not go ahead.

Maybe if an ark was the only way to get to the Pyramid Stage, perhaps.

I didnt mean it would be cancelled because of the weather. I meant it is 100% definitely going to be cancelled because of coronavirus. And when it is I will be praying for rain 

[lukethekid]

4 minutes ago, Hugh Jass said:

It’s proper, next level lunacy.

It’s that mad it’s almost believable that the person writing it actually believes what he’s writing. 

[The Nal]

13 minutes ago, rawrsomesauce said:

You say that but Wales v Scotland is still going ahead (for now), no cancellations of football matches in the UK yet, not to mention all the noises previously in the thread that there's no point in cancelling large outdoor gatherings!

Optimism is what we need, and luckily myself and others seem to have it in bucket loads. 

Unfortunately optimism will get you nowhere in this case.

12 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said:

If Glastonbury was next week then I’d say it was in danger. It’s about 100 days away. Plenty of time for things to either improve or get to the point where cancelling it won’t make a difference. 

What can change in 100 days? Its getting worse by the day.

As I said, hopefully a change in weather may start to roll this thing back.

9 minutes ago, Hugh Jass said:

Ladies and gentlemen.... Jim Corr!

He is an absolute bellend. 

The one thing I hate Oliver Cromwell for is that he didn't finish the job in Co Louth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Drogheda

[squirrelarmy]

1 minute ago, The Nal said:

What can change in 100 days? Its getting worse by the day.

As I said, hopefully a change in weather may start to roll this thing back.

It will peak eventually. Everyones going to be at risk of contracting it anyway so cancelling Glastonbury won’t make a difference. 
 

Might as well go out on a high. 

[Lycra]

39 minutes ago, The Nal said:

 

I think the best we can hope for is the weather stalls it as there does seem to be a correlation between cases in the northern hemisphere wheres its winter/spring and the southern hemisphere where its summer/autumn.

The peak of the swine flu epidemic in the UK was July......Some epidemiologists point to humidity rather than temperature or season as being the the key determinant.

[RarerThanDandyB]

1 minute ago, squirrelarmy said:

It will peak eventually. Everyones going to be at risk of contracting it anyway so cancelling Glastonbury won’t make a difference. 
 

Might as well go out on a high. 

Unfortunately dont see Boris and the conservatives seeing it that way

[Dave85radiohead]

IMO I think the media are been quite irresponsible in the reporting of this and trying to create s lot of panic. The people in the know are saying that for the majority it is just a heavy cold.

Just need to drink plenty of fluids use paracetamol to keep temps down and try to keep a check on any elderly relatives and neighbours to make sure they're ok.

I'm very confident that the festivals in the summer will go ahead and will be trying for a glasto ticket

[efcfanwirral]

27 minutes ago, Copperface said:

Contagion etc may not be the major reason to force a cancellation. It's the infrastructure that enables such an event to go ahead that will be in danger and possibly cause cancellation.

More important will be the availability of the required stewards, security, fire marshals, logistics and emergency services in the event of a pandemic.

There are legal requirements to be met.

In addition, when the NHS and police will be under immense strain, with absences of their own plus additional responsibilities and demand in all areas, they will be looking to minimise what they would class as non essential burdens on their services and a music festival fits that criteria.

 

This is exactly it - its not about people catching it but about the situation on the ground with the NHS.  

The Italian health service is under immense strain already and their numbers are relatively low - reports from doctors there are basically saying that they're in war like conditions, and imploring people to take it seriously and stay at home to prevent further spread.  That said, we might be through the other side by Glastonbury as Italy's issues came in 2-3 weeks.  

There are articles but of course they're behind paywalls.... https://www.independent.co.uk/independentpremium/world/italy-coronavirus-outbreak-milan-health-warning-death-toll-economy-latest-a9363791.html

One translated from an Italian publication https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/ffsj7e/interview_to_italian_doctor_on_the_front_line_we/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share 

I am concerned that people are not taking it seriously. Yes our's and USA's science people are saying it's fine to keep events going etc, but other country's are recommending different, more extreme measures #

Our way is not guaranteed to be right, but when you see the two extremes clearly it's a gamble between the two ways. It may even be influenced by the government's desires (as in, "if you won't say this we'll find someone who will" so the good people compromise to stay involved and hopefully change things from the inside). 

Not aimed anyone on here (not anything to do with Glastonbury right now), but I do think a lot of the general public are expecting the government to do their thinking for them. I just don't trust those who approve or enact decisions (not the medical/scientific advisors) not to be looking at how they can profit from this as a main concern. I hope to be proved wrong. 

Edited March 9, 2020 by efcfanwirral

[Zoo Music Girl]

Latest news coming in from thus COBRA meeting is that they are not yet going ahead with social distancing measures. Banning big events was discussed but not introduced at this time.

Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51796072

Edited March 9, 2020 by Zoo Music Girl

[squirrelarmy]

4 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

Latest news coming in from thus COBRA meeting is that they are not yet going ahead with social distancing measures. Banning big events was discussed but not introduced at this time.

Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51796072

Good call. If people don’t like that decision then they can choose to avoid such situations. 

[TownesMR]

1 minute ago, squirrelarmy said:

Good call. If people don’t like that decision then they can choose to avoid such situations. 

Hoping it is not introduced to interfere with Glastonbury. Still crossing my fingers.

[hfuhruhurr]

On the daft assumption that the govt are reasonable, here's my take. Containment is working and we need to continue with it. It's all about not overwhelming the NHS. The good news for us is that we have the Italians (who are very similar to us in many respects) going through this first - we can learn a lot. But the scary news is that c. 7k cases in a population of 16m has brought their healthcare to crisis point. It's these stats that the UK govt will be looking at in terms of containment. So, for us, 280 cases, so the chances of a spreader at a festival/football match causing mayhem is very low. Bump that to 7k cases and the chances increase and so they'll look at stopping large gatherings. Then we have the weather factor, is it true that this thing will stop spreading so much in what we hope will be warm weather - who knows.

The situation we don't want is triage. If we have 10 cases and can only treat 1. Italy are hoping to stop this through drastic action - let's hope it works and the spread rate means we have 1 case and can treat 1. It may become endemic - it probably will - but we want everyone who will get it to at least have had the opportunity for treatment and not left in a corridor while the triage rules apply.

Timing will be everything.

[stuartbert two hats]

3 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said:

Good call. If people don’t like that decision then they can choose to avoid such situations. 

Just like vaccinations! 🙄

[Hugh Jass]

39 minutes ago, The Nal said:

He is an absolute bellend. 

Almost like he spent all of his band money in a dark room doing coke.

[gfa]

1 hour ago, DareToDibble said:

I've just had a call from my manager saying a training day we were meant to have tomorrow will now take place via Skype. In short one of the guys on my team attended our team meeting last Thursday... 1 day after his daughter got back from Northern Italy and she now has "a cold".

I can't help but feel this is half the problem. Anyone who has been to any country with Coronavirus will now think a sniffle is them having it, tell their family and friends etc. 1 person has now put around 20-30 people into isolation potentially needlessly. 

Anyway we find out if him and his daughter test positive or negative on Wednesday. Bonkers.

If anything, this is a good thing for preventing the spread. Unnecessary but improves our chances for glasto

Wonder how Cheltenham will go this week as thats a large gathering that is as close as it gets to glastonbury scale really at this time of the year

[Deaf Nobby Burton]

I’m not sure if it’s good news if cancelling events is ultimately going to be inevitable, as it just pushes the chance if it happening closer to Glastonbury. At the same time I do agree it would be premature at this stage based on the number of cases.

[northernringo]

Today's update: (figures taken around noon)

Not a good weekend for Europe and North America in particular.

In China though, cases continue to tumble. A reduction of 4,849 to 18,906 which is remarkable. Elsewhere in Asia, there were sadly quite a few rises in cases. Singapore nearly doubled (72), Japan grew by just over 100 (418), Thailand was up 2 (18), Malaysia tripled (93), Philippines is up 15 (18), and Cambodia now has a case again (1) and Vietnam has cases again too (14). South Korea continues to grew at a huge rate as it is up by around 900 (7,307). The good news is Hong Kong is down 4 (53), Taiwan down 2 (29) and Macau now has no active cases.

In the Middle East, it was more of the same really. Iran continues to grow by large numbers day by day but also show good recovery numbers each day. Overall up 1,863 (4,530). Elsewhere, there seems to be gradual growth (no change in Oman and Jordan though). A couple of recoveries coming through as well in Bahrain, Kuwait and UAE.

In Africa, we have a couple of new countries - Cameroon (2) and Togo (1). Elsewhere, not much change except gradual growth. Senegal had its first recovery actually and is down to 3 cases. Egypt the main difference and is up 40 (42) but did announce 12 recoveries as well.

Europe's growth continued to accelerate. The only country that went down in numbers was Belarus (down 1 to 5). Italy nearly doubled in cases to 6,387 and growth increased in France, Spain and Germany too (all 900+). France and Germany yet to announce many recoveries in the 'second wave', thankfully Spain have. Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, Belgium and Netherlands all following a worrying path as their numbers continue to grow. In the UK, we are up 152 (259) but did announce 10 recoveries in the second wave. Ireland is up to 21.

In South America, our first death was in Argentina (11). Further growth in Brazil, Ecuador, Chile and then newly announced countries are Colombia (1), Peru (7) and French Guiana (5). Further north, Costa Rica grew by 8 (9) and the Dominican Republic also grew by 4 (5). Mexico continues to limit the growth and has only grown by 2 (6). The USA is really struggling, growing by 323 (536) and Canada has also grown by 84 (124).

In the rest of the world, the growth has been more gradual. Pakistan has it's first recovery and New Zealand is only on 5. Russia and India saw growth over the weekend as did Australia (grew 14 to 51).

The biggest issue at the minute is Europe, Iran and USA.

[Spindles]

No surprise that US share trading was suspended, all over Reddit all weekend it has been people stating they were going to get rich on the fire sale and building the panic.  Should be an interesting week.  Back to work for me today after a nice relaxing week of doing bugger all, so sadly no more sitting around reading nonsense on the internet all day.  

[efcfanwirral]

20 minutes ago, hfuhruhurr said:

On the daft assumption that the govt are reasonable, here's my take. Containment is working and we need to continue with it. It's all about not overwhelming the NHS. The good news for us is that we have the Italians (who are very similar to us in many respects) going through this first - we can learn a lot. But the scary news is that c. 7k cases in a population of 16m has brought their healthcare to crisis point. It's these stats that the UK govt will be looking at in terms of containment. So, for us, 280 cases, so the chances of a spreader at a festival/football match causing mayhem is very low. Bump that to 7k cases and the chances increase and so they'll look at stopping large gatherings. Then we have the weather factor, is it true that this thing will stop spreading so much in what we hope will be warm weather - who knows.

The situation we don't want is triage. If we have 10 cases and can only treat 1. Italy are hoping to stop this through drastic action - let's hope it works and the spread rate means we have 1 case and can treat 1. It may become endemic - it probably will - but we want everyone who will get it to at least have had the opportunity for treatment and not left in a corridor while the triage rules apply.

Timing will be everything.

An alternative take could be that we are seeing what's happening in Italy and we could get ahead of it and prevent that ever happening - it feels like we're waiting for it to get to that point before we take action. The only arguments against...the economy and not pissing off your voting base. I strongly believe we're hoping for the best - a wing and a prayer essentially (though better than the literal prayers across the Atlantic). 

 It's likely there are at least 7k people with it in the UK now, either who haven't yet shown symptoms or just have them very mild. It doesn't feel proactive at all, but I guess this stock market issue today is probably why. 

[Hugh Jass]

7 minutes ago, Spindles said:

No surprise that US share trading was suspended, all over Reddit all weekend it has been people stating they were going to get rich on the fire sale and building the panic.  Should be an interesting week.  Back to work for me today after a nice relaxing week of doing bugger all, so sadly no more sitting around reading nonsense on the internet all day.  

That’s a normal working day for me.

[stopwn1981]

All government's are nice and relaxed, keeping the economy going...then it spreads and they realise how bad it is.

China, Iran, Italy, South Korea

Nothing to see here, nothing to see here it’s the flu or a bad cold...shit hospitals are getting busy...shit they can’t handle case loads...shit people are dying...shit medical staff are sick and dying...then lockdown.

its viral pneumonia! 

Will play out the same everywhere, why wouldn’t it?

[mcshed]

20 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

It's likely there are at least 7k people with it in the UK

Where are you getting that from?