Corona Virus - Should we be worried?

[Hugh Jass]

1 minute ago, MoilyX said:

Billie Eilish setting the trend last year...

Beat me to it...

[Spindles]

Well, with confidence inspiring leadership like this I reckon the supermarkets will be packed this evening.

[whitehorses]

3 hours ago, Ayrshire Chris said:

 

Oops sorry @whitehorses, confessional for me! 

On your knees.

 

[mashedonmud]

If we needed proof of Billie being ahead of the game there you go. If I see her with an umbrella and wellies this June I'm not bothering with 2021 tickets. 😁

She knows 😉

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, Spindles said:

Well, with confidence inspiring leadership like this I reckon the supermarkets will be packed this evening.

My work  has been exceptionally busy over the last 4 days ..... 25%  up year on year ...... but that will soon stop as peoples finances hit a buffer ..... 

[eFestivals]

36 minutes ago, kalifire said:

How is it mad? Isn't that the very point of containment?

that the point of the govt doing it, yep.

The reality with any festival - corona virus or not - is that it could be canceled at any minute, because shit happens. They don't put stuff on hold because of the million different 'what ifs?' that always exist, they get on with doing everything anyway, because up until it's cancelled it's going ahead.

[Matt42]

1 hour ago, grilladelphia said:

just had my newsletter for construction enquirer through today -

"The MIPIM property show has been postponed due to concerns over coronavirus. - Property show postponed from March to June"

so maybe they think this will all have blown over by June?

This is the event my work has to cancel because of the virus.

[Sasperella]

16 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

they aren't so good with timelines of  recent events ?  

Well, I mean, they haven't really said anything about timelines so far... They will have teams of modellers working on it (I know one who is on it at the Foreign Office), which will give a bunch of scenarios. If they do plan to ban all gatherings for X number of weeks or months if we get an x% infection rate, at least we would know.

Of course, the plan is likely to just be infuriatingly non committal. 

[ghostdancer1]

China Figures:

Hubei New Cases:
Feb 12th - 14,840
Feb 13th - 4823
Feb 14th - 2420
Feb 15th - 1843
Feb 16th - 1933
Feb 17th - 1807
Feb 18th - 1693
Feb 19th - 349
Feb 20th - 631
Feb 21st - 366
Feb 22nd - 630
Feb 23rd - 398
Feb 24th - 499
Feb 25th - 401
Feb 26th - 409
Feb 27th - 318
Feb 28th - 423
Feb 29th - 570
Mar 1st - 196

Hubei New Deaths:
Feb 12th - 242
Feb 13th - 116
Feb 14th - 139
Feb 15th - 139
Feb 16th - 100
Feb 17th - 93
Feb 18th - 132
Feb 19th - 108
Feb 20th - 115
Feb 21st - 106
Feb 22nd - 96
Feb 23rd - 149
Feb 24th - 68
Feb 25th - 52
Feb 26th - 26
Feb 27th - 41
Feb 28th - 45
Feb 29th - 34
Mar 1st - 42

Outside Hubei New Cases:
Feb 3rd - 890
Feb 4th - 731
Feb 5th - 707
Feb 6th - 696
Feb 7th - 558
Feb 8th - 508
Feb 9th - 444
Feb 10th - 381
Feb 11th - 378
Feb 12th - 312
Feb 13th - 267
Feb 14th - 221
Feb 15th - 166
Feb 16th - 115
Feb 17th - 79
Feb 18th - 56
Feb 19th - 45
Feb 20th - 478
Feb 21st - 31
Feb 22nd - 18
Feb 23rd - 11
Feb 24th - 9
Feb 25th - 5
Feb 26th - 24
Feb 27th - 9
Feb 28th - 4
Feb 29th - 3
Mar 1st - 6

Outside Hubei New Deaths:
Feb 3rd - 11 to here
Feb 4th - 0
Feb 5th - 3
Feb 6th - 4
Feb 7th - 5
Feb 8th - 8
Feb 9th - 6
Feb 10th - 5
Feb 11th - 3
Feb 12th - ?
Feb 13th - 5
Feb 14th - 4
Feb 15th - 3
Feb 16th - 5
Feb 17th - 5
Feb 18th - 4
Feb 19th - 6
Feb 20th - 3
Feb 21st - 3
Feb 22nd - 1
Feb 23rd - 1
Feb 24th - 3
Feb 25th - 0
Feb 26th - 3
Feb 27th - 3
Feb 28th - 2
Feb 29th - 1
Mar 1st - 0

 

Total overall discovered cases to date: 89,197

Total recovered cases: 45,110

 

Obviously Europe is lagging a few weeks behind, and it'll get worse here before it gets better, but short of some dreadful complacency and mismanagement here, this will all be well over by the time June comes around.

Edited March 2, 2020 by ghostdancer1

[AlexOvd]

5 minutes ago, ghostdancer1 said:

China Figures:

Hubei New Cases:
Feb 12th - 14,840
Feb 13th - 4823
Feb 14th - 2420
Feb 15th - 1843
Feb 16th - 1933
Feb 17th - 1807
Feb 18th - 1693
Feb 19th - 349
Feb 20th - 631
Feb 21st - 366
Feb 22nd - 630
Feb 23rd - 398
Feb 24th - 499
Feb 25th - 401
Feb 26th - 409
Feb 27th - 318
Feb 28th - 423
Feb 29th - 570
Mar 1st - 196

Hubei New Deaths:
Feb 12th - 242
Feb 13th - 116
Feb 14th - 139
Feb 15th - 139
Feb 16th - 100
Feb 17th - 93
Feb 18th - 132
Feb 19th - 108
Feb 20th - 115
Feb 21st - 106
Feb 22nd - 96
Feb 23rd - 149
Feb 24th - 68
Feb 25th - 52
Feb 26th - 26
Feb 27th - 41
Feb 28th - 45
Feb 29th - 34
Mar 1st - 42

Outside Hubei New Cases:
Feb 3rd - 890
Feb 4th - 731
Feb 5th - 707
Feb 6th - 696
Feb 7th - 558
Feb 8th - 508
Feb 9th - 444
Feb 10th - 381
Feb 11th - 378
Feb 12th - 312
Feb 13th - 267
Feb 14th - 221
Feb 15th - 166
Feb 16th - 115
Feb 17th - 79
Feb 18th - 56
Feb 19th - 45
Feb 20th - 478
Feb 21st - 31
Feb 22nd - 18
Feb 23rd - 11
Feb 24th - 9
Feb 25th - 5
Feb 26th - 24
Feb 27th - 9
Feb 28th - 4
Feb 29th - 3
Mar 1st - 6

Outside Hubei New Deaths:
Feb 3rd - 11 to here
Feb 4th - 0
Feb 5th - 3
Feb 6th - 4
Feb 7th - 5
Feb 8th - 8
Feb 9th - 6
Feb 10th - 5
Feb 11th - 3
Feb 12th - ?
Feb 13th - 5
Feb 14th - 4
Feb 15th - 3
Feb 16th - 5
Feb 17th - 5
Feb 18th - 4
Feb 19th - 6
Feb 20th - 3
Feb 21st - 3
Feb 22nd - 1
Feb 23rd - 1
Feb 24th - 3
Feb 25th - 0
Feb 26th - 3
Feb 27th - 3
Feb 28th - 2
Feb 29th - 1
Mar 1st - 0

 

Total overall discovered cases to date: 89,197

Total recovered cases: 45,110

 

Obviously Europe is lagging a few weeks behind, and it'll get worse here before it gets better, but short of some dreadful complacency and mismanagement here, this will all be well over by the time June comes around.

China is controlling it very well. In one month the numbers have been reduced drastically. We are reaching the point that it will be us who will expand it again to them (with us I mean Iran, Corea, Italy etc etc)

[Wooderson]

Chinese numbers are promising, sure. But to say this will all be well over in the summer is a bit General Melchett.

[Spindles]

1 minute ago, Wooderson said:

 a bit General Melchett.

like the government response, which has been "We'll tell you about the plan tomorrow, and further details in the coming weeks".  I mean, without being too partisan, that's pretty fucking ridiculous for something proven to only be brought under control by strict management of the situation.

 

Our government is rudderless.

[squirrelarmy]

13 minutes ago, ghostdancer1 said:

Obviously Europe is lagging a few weeks behind, and it'll get worse here before it gets better, but short of some dreadful complacency and mismanagement here, this will all be well over by the time June comes around.

There’s one huge problem with comparing China to the rest of the world. 
 

They live in a very authoritative society. They do exactly what their government tells them to do. The people have been forced into isolation, some less willingly than others. I doubt the same measures will be possible in a more western free society. 
 

A prime example is of a local case in Yorkshire, they found out that they had the virus and needed to self isolate. The first thing they did was go to the shops to stock up on food. 
 

I’ve also mentioned this before but countries that don’t have free healthcare and limited sick or holiday pay will struggle to stop their people going to work and spreading the virus further. For most Americans for example, not going to work isn’t an option due to the “freedom” in their country. 

Edited March 2, 2020 by squirrelarmy

[henry bear]

5 minutes ago, AlexOvd said:

China is controlling it very well. In one month the numbers have been reduced drastically. We are reaching the point that it will be us who will expand it again to them (with us I mean Iran, Corea, Italy etc etc)

They have indeed, but their methods have been rather draconian. 

[lukethekid]

14 minutes ago, ghostdancer1 said:

China Figures:

Hubei New Cases:
Feb 12th - 14,840
Feb 13th - 4823
Feb 14th - 2420
Feb 15th - 1843
Feb 16th - 1933
Feb 17th - 1807
Feb 18th - 1693
Feb 19th - 349
Feb 20th - 631
Feb 21st - 366
Feb 22nd - 630
Feb 23rd - 398
Feb 24th - 499
Feb 25th - 401
Feb 26th - 409
Feb 27th - 318
Feb 28th - 423
Feb 29th - 570
Mar 1st - 196

Hubei New Deaths:
Feb 12th - 242
Feb 13th - 116
Feb 14th - 139
Feb 15th - 139
Feb 16th - 100
Feb 17th - 93
Feb 18th - 132
Feb 19th - 108
Feb 20th - 115
Feb 21st - 106
Feb 22nd - 96
Feb 23rd - 149
Feb 24th - 68
Feb 25th - 52
Feb 26th - 26
Feb 27th - 41
Feb 28th - 45
Feb 29th - 34
Mar 1st - 42

Outside Hubei New Cases:
Feb 3rd - 890
Feb 4th - 731
Feb 5th - 707
Feb 6th - 696
Feb 7th - 558
Feb 8th - 508
Feb 9th - 444
Feb 10th - 381
Feb 11th - 378
Feb 12th - 312
Feb 13th - 267
Feb 14th - 221
Feb 15th - 166
Feb 16th - 115
Feb 17th - 79
Feb 18th - 56
Feb 19th - 45
Feb 20th - 478
Feb 21st - 31
Feb 22nd - 18
Feb 23rd - 11
Feb 24th - 9
Feb 25th - 5
Feb 26th - 24
Feb 27th - 9
Feb 28th - 4
Feb 29th - 3
Mar 1st - 6

Outside Hubei New Deaths:
Feb 3rd - 11 to here
Feb 4th - 0
Feb 5th - 3
Feb 6th - 4
Feb 7th - 5
Feb 8th - 8
Feb 9th - 6
Feb 10th - 5
Feb 11th - 3
Feb 12th - ?
Feb 13th - 5
Feb 14th - 4
Feb 15th - 3
Feb 16th - 5
Feb 17th - 5
Feb 18th - 4
Feb 19th - 6
Feb 20th - 3
Feb 21st - 3
Feb 22nd - 1
Feb 23rd - 1
Feb 24th - 3
Feb 25th - 0
Feb 26th - 3
Feb 27th - 3
Feb 28th - 2
Feb 29th - 1
Mar 1st - 0

 

Total overall discovered cases to date: 89,197

Total recovered cases: 45,110

 

Obviously Europe is lagging a few weeks behind, and it'll get worse here before it gets better, but short of some dreadful complacency and mismanagement here, this will all be well over by the time June comes around.

This is the type of thing we like to see, Mr or Mrs Ghostdancer, I would just like to say on behalf of all interested. Thank you.

[bennyhana22]

16 minutes ago, ghostdancer1 said:

China Figures:

Hubei New Cases:
Feb 12th - 14,840
Feb 13th - 4823
Feb 14th - 2420
Feb 15th - 1843
Feb 16th - 1933
Feb 17th - 1807
Feb 18th - 1693
Feb 19th - 349
Feb 20th - 631
Feb 21st - 366
Feb 22nd - 630
Feb 23rd - 398
Feb 24th - 499
Feb 25th - 401
Feb 26th - 409
Feb 27th - 318
Feb 28th - 423
Feb 29th - 570
Mar 1st - 196

Hubei New Deaths:
Feb 12th - 242
Feb 13th - 116
Feb 14th - 139
Feb 15th - 139
Feb 16th - 100
Feb 17th - 93
Feb 18th - 132
Feb 19th - 108
Feb 20th - 115
Feb 21st - 106
Feb 22nd - 96
Feb 23rd - 149
Feb 24th - 68
Feb 25th - 52
Feb 26th - 26
Feb 27th - 41
Feb 28th - 45
Feb 29th - 34
Mar 1st - 42

Outside Hubei New Cases:
Feb 3rd - 890
Feb 4th - 731
Feb 5th - 707
Feb 6th - 696
Feb 7th - 558
Feb 8th - 508
Feb 9th - 444
Feb 10th - 381
Feb 11th - 378
Feb 12th - 312
Feb 13th - 267
Feb 14th - 221
Feb 15th - 166
Feb 16th - 115
Feb 17th - 79
Feb 18th - 56
Feb 19th - 45
Feb 20th - 478
Feb 21st - 31
Feb 22nd - 18
Feb 23rd - 11
Feb 24th - 9
Feb 25th - 5
Feb 26th - 24
Feb 27th - 9
Feb 28th - 4
Feb 29th - 3
Mar 1st - 6

Outside Hubei New Deaths:
Feb 3rd - 11 to here
Feb 4th - 0
Feb 5th - 3
Feb 6th - 4
Feb 7th - 5
Feb 8th - 8
Feb 9th - 6
Feb 10th - 5
Feb 11th - 3
Feb 12th - ?
Feb 13th - 5
Feb 14th - 4
Feb 15th - 3
Feb 16th - 5
Feb 17th - 5
Feb 18th - 4
Feb 19th - 6
Feb 20th - 3
Feb 21st - 3
Feb 22nd - 1
Feb 23rd - 1
Feb 24th - 3
Feb 25th - 0
Feb 26th - 3
Feb 27th - 3
Feb 28th - 2
Feb 29th - 1
Mar 1st - 0

 

Total overall discovered cases to date: 89,197

Total recovered cases: 45,110

 

Obviously Europe is lagging a few weeks behind, and it'll get worse here before it gets better, but short of some dreadful complacency and mismanagement here, this will all be well over by the time June comes around.

All Hail The Glastonbury COVID19 Thingy^TM!

Ben

[Lycra]

46 minutes ago, lukethekid said:

If the festival does go ahead wonder if there’ll be loads of people in masks there?

Would make it easier for persons to slip in on other people's tickets.....Do I sniff a black market opportunity 🤔

[kalifire]

16 minutes ago, ghostdancer1 said:

Obviously Europe is lagging a few weeks behind, and it'll get worse here before it gets better, but short of some dreadful complacency and mismanagement here, this will all be well over by the time June comes around.

[northernringo]

China's situation improving over the last week or so is excellent news, but to think it will be the same elsewhere is sadly likely to be wide of the mark.

You should check out China's response to the virus. A lot of the measures have been very drastic and I can't see the UK following suit, nor will the majority of the rest of the world.

[Doug85]

5 minutes ago, northernringo said:

China's situation improving over the last week or so is excellent news, but to think it will be the same elsewhere is sadly likely to be wide of the mark.

You should check out China's response to the virus. A lot of the measures have been very drastic and I can't see the UK following suit, nor will the majority of the rest of the world.

Oh yes I've seen videos of the Chinese slaughtering tens of thousands of chickens and what can only be described as a "quarry like" hole full of live pigs being set on fire. The Chinese government don't operate like other places. 

[kalifire]

9 minutes ago, northernringo said:

China's situation improving over the last week or so is excellent news, but to think it will be the same elsewhere is sadly likely to be wide of the mark.

You should check out China's response to the virus. A lot of the measures have been very drastic and I can't see the UK following suit, nor will the majority of the rest of the world.

It's easier to make draconian decisions in a society used to authoritarian rule. Rightly or wrongly, people over here would feel too entitled to become subservient to professional advice, no matter how qualified. Add to that the prevalence of garbage news presenting itself as 'alternative media' and lapped up by a certain subset of society who - in a contagion context - would seriously undermine containment efforts, and you have a veritable perfect storm.

Perhaps this is how the west ultimately fucks itself.

Edited March 2, 2020 by kalifire

[Gilb]

 

If you were currently an extreme cult leader (i.e. religious) intent on the downfall of democracy and the death of infidels and the like, would you not be tempted to get a memo out to your sleeper cells to have them get a bit of the ol' coronavirus and spread it about a bit? Discuss.

[squirrelarmy]

5 minutes ago, Gilb said:

 

If you were currently an extreme cult leader (i.e. religious) intent on the downfall of democracy and the death of infidels and the like, would you not be tempted to get a memo out to your sleeper cells to have them get a bit of the ol' coronavirus and spread it about a bit? Discuss.

If you really want to get into Tinfoil Hat territory you should look at where one of China’s top Bio Labs is situated. It’s quite amazing how a virus that specifically targets a section of the population that is ultimately a burden on society has made an appearance at this time. 
 

 

 

[sisco]

So apparently UEFA spent a whole 2 mins discussing the virus and aren’t panicking about it affecting the Euros

[TownesMR]

7 minutes ago, sisco said:

So apparently UEFA spent a whole 2 mins discussing the virus and aren’t panicking about it affecting the Euros

Is there a source for this?