When will this shit end?

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

New way of presenting the deaths today that might be interesting to see ... wonder if they will drop the other one in the coming days ... 

We have to wait a year until we can compare figures, they genuinely expect a free pass for a year. The absolute nerve of them. 

[The Nal]

2 hours ago, gizmoman said:

Eastynh was right on the money, they should put him on SAGE, you called the cancellation early too, do you still think next years off?

No idea but difficult for it to go ahead with no vaccine I would've thought. But I'm not sure either way. 

Maybe we'll all have had it by then and have some sort of immunity. 

Or maybe it'll have to be a smaller festival with social distancing. Everywhere like the back of the Pyramid Field at 1pm. Chair and blankets only. 

Or - and this is more likely imo - by June 2021 we'll all have turned into some sort of wet market monster, like the guy at the end of Robocop who falls into the toxic waste and then gets run over by Clarence Boddicker.

[ghostdancer1]

1 hour ago, Cherry Tree said:

That should be archived by the British Museum, from "nah nothing to worry about" to being closed down in 5 weeks and 190 pages. A bit like the country’s response.

I was definitely in the "nothing to worry about, we'll be ready for it here and it'll be over in a few months" camp, as I naively thought that other countries would take it as seriously as China did, and lock the fuck down, isolate people and move to get things under control quickly (New Zealand being one of the few countries to seemingly have done that).

At it turned out, Italy pissed about for fucking ages, only closing down schools (for 10 days initially) on 3rd March, after they had over 3000 confirmed cases (and who knows how many more unconfirmed), and then after that they still fucked around for a few weeks with a half-arsed lockdown.

It wasn't until 22nd March that they stopped construction, open-air markets, and outdoor exercise, in Lombardy, which already had 3,000 deaths at that stage: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51991972

It was at that point that the rest of Italy finally decided to close "non-essential" businesses....they already had 53,000 confirmed cases at that stage. Pathetic.

The UK wasn't much better, way too slow.

[Deaf Nobby Burton]

Just now, ghostdancer1 said:

I was definitely in the "nothing to worry about, we'll be ready for it here and it'll be over in a few months" camp, as I naively thought that other countries would take it as seriously as China did, and lock the fuck down, isolate people and move to get things under control quickly (New Zealand being one of the few countries to seemingly have done that).

At it turned out, Italy pissed about for fucking ages, only closing down schools (for 10 days initially) on 3rd March, after they had over 3000 confirmed cases (and who knows how many more unconfirmed), and then after that they still fucked around for a few weeks with a half-arsed lockdown.

It wasn't until 22nd March that they stopped construction, open-air markets, and outdoor exercise, in Lombardy, which already had 3,000 deaths at that stage: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51991972

It was at that point that the rest of Italy finally decided to close "non-essential" businesses....they already had 53,000 confirmed cases at that stage. Pathetic.

The UK wasn't much better, way too slow.

Only time is going to tell really. The case in France from December, if true and similar throughout Europe, means we were all pretty doomed regardless. Bear in mind China only told us about it in early January and then only confirmed HTH transmission was possible towards the end of January. So it could’ve been spreading for about two months with everybody in absolute blissful ignorance. By February/March it was way too late.

Don't get me wrong things could’ve been done sooner and more decisively, but it’s difficult to do something about something you don’t even know is a threat. 

 

[steviewevie]

7 minutes ago, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

Only time is going to tell really. The case in France from December, if true and similar throughout Europe, means we were all pretty doomed regardless. Bear in mind China only told us about it in early January and then only confirmed HTH transmission was possible towards the end of January. So it could’ve been spreading for about two months with everybody in absolute blissful ignorance. By February/March it was way too late.

Don't get me wrong things could’ve been done sooner and more decisively, but it’s difficult to do something about something you don’t even know is a threat. 

 

Germany managed it.

[ace56blaa]

5 hours ago, zahidf said:

Tenent is still due for middle of july and they may screen some more indie films? Theres definitely a backlog 

One nolan blcokbuster and a bunch of indie films (a lot of which have been put on streaming/VOD already) ain't gonna bring in much business, especially with distancing measures and a lot f public still hesitant to go out. Studios wont take chances on just releasing in the UK too if other countries cinemas open later as it seems. I'd love to be back, working getting my full wage and full hours, watching free films, but thats not whats gonna happen. - I honestly dont know why there striving for this early considering it costs a ton just to be open, why take that chance if theres one blockbuster coming out in july, one in august and then the rest in autumn or next year.  

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5 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Germany managed it.

We also had several warnings, Cygnus exercise in 2016 and last year the NSRA also gave a warning to the government but that was also ignored. Now we have to just accept what’s happened and not dare to criticise our Tory masters. 

[zahidf]

5 minutes ago, ace56blaa said:

One nolan blcokbuster and a bunch of indie films (a lot of which have been put on streaming/VOD already) ain't gonna bring in much business, especially with distancing measures and a lot f public still hesitant to go out. Studios wont take chances on just releasing in the UK too if other countries cinemas open later as it seems. I'd love to be back, working getting my full wage and full hours, watching free films, but thats not whats gonna happen. - I honestly dont know why there striving for this early considering it costs a ton just to be open, why take that chance if theres one blockbuster coming out in july, one in august and then the rest in autumn or next year.  

Oh yeah, but I'm guessing they want to get it open before july to try it out/get people confident about going to the cinema again before July.

I'm hoping BFI and prince charles cinema in London  opens up in some form soonish. Watch old films happily there.

[ace56blaa]

1 minute ago, zahidf said:

Oh yeah, but I'm guessing they want to get it open before july to try it out/get people confident about going to the cinema again before July.

I'm hoping BFI and prince charles cinema in London  opens up in some form soonish. Watch old films happily there.

Well yeah I've heard talk of  cineworld potentially showing old films for a while when they reopen. Which might be asafer bet than indies. But yeah i hope prince charles gets through this okay.

[Deaf Nobby Burton]

17 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Germany managed it.

You’re right they did. What I’m about to say is not any sort though of attempt to either criticise or absolve any government of blame, but I’m pretty sure it was in here I read the article about there being massive and significant differences between seemingly similar countries that can’t be explained yet. Why wasn’t Portugal hit as early or as badly as Spain? You’ve got neighbouring countries with seemingly completely different outcomes all over the world. We’re not going to know those answers for a while.

[steviewevie]

6 minutes ago, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

You’re right they did. What I’m about to say is not any sort though of attempt to either criticise or absolve any government of blame, but I’m pretty sure it was in here I read the article about there being massive and significant differences between seemingly similar countries that can’t be explained yet. Why wasn’t Portugal hit as early or as badly as Spain? You’ve got neighbouring countries with seemingly completely different outcomes all over the world. We’re not going to know those answers for a while.

we may never.

[fatyeti24]

1 hour ago, Wooderson said:

Festival (or any large open multi-day events) simply not a runner until the risk is dramatically reduced. 

I agree. These events need to satisfy health and safety and insurance to go ahead. That's a call they're presumably going to have to make in a few months time. Without that, it doesn't happen.

There's over 200,000 people involved.  I know deaths are expected even in a good year but this isn't a good year. 

If it goes ahead I'll be surprised. 

[efcfanwirral]

42 minutes ago, ace56blaa said:

One nolan blcokbuster and a bunch of indie films (a lot of which have been put on streaming/VOD already) ain't gonna bring in much business, especially with distancing measures and a lot f public still hesitant to go out. Studios wont take chances on just releasing in the UK too if other countries cinemas open later as it seems. I'd love to be back, working getting my full wage and full hours, watching free films, but thats not whats gonna happen. - I honestly dont know why there striving for this early considering it costs a ton just to be open, why take that chance if theres one blockbuster coming out in july, one in august and then the rest in autumn or next year.  

Because the government can't (won't) pay furlough for anything it considers able to open, despite the fact the businesses will make a loss. 

[Zoo Music Girl]

48 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Oh yeah, but I'm guessing they want to get it open before july to try it out/get people confident about going to the cinema again before July.

I'm hoping BFI and prince charles cinema in London  opens up in some form soonish. Watch old films happily there.

I love the Prince Charles (I'm a member) but the toilets and bar in there are surely a social distancing nightmare.

[ace56blaa]

10 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

Because the government can't (won't) pay furlough for anything it considers able to open, despite the fact the businesses will make a loss. 

The annoying thing about this though. Is on most rumoured plans cinemas are last to open. But seems the cinemas themselves are pitching opening earlier. Honest from a year working at Cineworld I can tell you, they are not as business savvy as you'd hope. They'd promote the shit out of stuff I could have told you would have been flops. Something's that's down to the studios forcing them to promote their shit stuff in order to get the good stuff tho

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46 minutes ago, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

You’re right they did. What I’m about to say is not any sort though of attempt to either criticise or absolve any government of blame, but I’m pretty sure it was in here I read the article about there being massive and significant differences between seemingly similar countries that can’t be explained yet. Why wasn’t Portugal hit as early or as badly as Spain? You’ve got neighbouring countries with seemingly completely different outcomes all over the world. We’re not going to know those answers for a while.

 

 

[Sdsm123]

On 5/5/2020 at 1:07 PM, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

I’m not sure you can blame the public for going to Cheltenham when at the time the government allowed them to, and their view at that point was that mass gatherings and sporting events didn’t make much difference.

This goes back to the point that the measures don’t necessarily reflect people’s own perception of the risk. The vast majority of the public agree and support the lockdown and therefore go along with it, but equally if measures were relaxed many would relax with them, which surely is completely understandable?

I live in Cheltenham, in comparison with usual years there seemed to be less people in pubs and clubs. I think the government used Cheltenham as a test to see the impact it would cause and once it was over 2 weeks later we started hearing about cases linked back to the races. I am still glad it went ahead as it provides strong economic support for my town. Especially after the Cheltenham science, jazz and literature festivals being cancelled.  

[stuartbert two hats]

1 hour ago, fatyeti24 said:

I agree. These events need to satisfy health and safety and insurance to go ahead. That's a call they're presumably going to have to make in a few months time. Without that, it doesn't happen.

There's over 200,000 people involved.  I know deaths are expected even in a good year but this isn't a good year. 

If it goes ahead I'll be surprised. 

Glasto 2021?  It's funny to think I'm less confident about that festival going ahead than I was about 2020 at the start of Feb.

[Suprefan]

 

[Crazyfool01]

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Government announced there were 69,463 coronavirus tests in the UK yesterday - 4th day in a row under 100k. Keir Starmer nailed it at PMQs earlier when he said, what was so special about 30 April that meant testing that day was so high?

[steviewevie]

5 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Government announced there were 69,463 coronavirus tests in the UK yesterday - 4th day in a row under 100k. Keir Starmer nailed it at PMQs earlier when he said, what was so special about 30 April that meant testing that day was so high?

it was a fiddle to get numbers over 100k, surely everyone can see that....but still, they did manage to increase the number of tests substantially which is good.

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Just now, steviewevie said:

it was a fiddle to get numbers over 100k, surely everyone can see that....but still, they did manage to increase the number of tests substantially which is good.

Oh I know, just pointing out that for the 4th day in a row they haven't even bothered to lie about missing their own target.

[Crazyfool01]

8 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Government announced there were 69,463 coronavirus tests in the UK yesterday - 4th day in a row under 100k. Keir Starmer nailed it at PMQs earlier when he said, what was so special about 30 April that meant testing that day was so high?

What was the response Oz ? 

[steviewevie]

Just now, Ozanne said:

Oh I know, just pointing out that for the 4th day in a row they haven't even bothered to lie about missing their own target.

yeah, they got the headline on that day, and that's the important thing. Classic Dom.