When will this shit end?

[steviewevie]

Woopeedoo. Party!

Happy Monday here we come!

[Matt42]

I am just so confused. Am I allowed to go to a park and drink with friends from different households? 

I'm not planning to but legally what is there to stop me?

This is where the policy falls apart - you are resting on the morality of people to not do it. Which... as we've seen... does nothing.

[Gilgamesh69]

1 minute ago, Ozanne said:

It's a trust element, but some have proven recently to not be worthy of that trust.

Indeed. But I live alone like yourself and honestly I've had days where I've struggled to obey the lockdown rules. I haven't yet, but sometimes I just think "fuck everything, I want to see my friends already"

[Crazyfool01]

7 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

I am just so confused. Am I allowed to go to a park and drink with friends from different households? 

I'm not planning to but legally what is there to stop me?

This is where the policy falls apart - you are resting on the morality of people to not do it. Which... as we've seen... does nothing.

There’s a policy ? Really ? Have they any bloody idea ?  This has taken them a week ... and it’s a shambles ... the only policy I can see in this is a sod it let’s go herd immunity 

[stuartbert two hats]

26 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

Yeah I reckon cinema ticket. Cinemas are much easier to social distance. 

Fuck that. It'll be as effective as smoking areas - I kid you not, millennials (and younger), when I was a nipper in the 80s, they would offer you a smoking or non-smoking seat - in the same theatre. Turns out the smoke didn't give a shit about the signs saying which area was for non-smoking.

With air con units circulating the air, I am not going to be going into the cinema for some time, 2 metres or no 2 metres.

[guypjfreak]

36 minutes ago, JoeyT said:

You can sit in a park all day 2m away from people you don't know who may not have been practicing social distancing but can't sit in a garden 2m apart with relatives / friends who have been doing it all properly? 

Bonkers.

P.S. gutted I can't play sports with my parents, was going to make my mum go in goal.

Just have to wait meet them in the morning park... Bonkers is right word although I would have said something else.. 

[DareToDibble]

 

 

[steviewevie]

 

[steviewevie]

At least I can sit in the park now with out feeling like I'm killing someone.

[zero000]

It’s utterly baffling how different it is here in Wales compared to England. No real relaxation of restrictions besides allowing more exercise and opening a few gardening centres. 
 

Meanwhile everyone in England will be off on a jolly to the beach the next sunny weekend.  What is the rationale for such a different policy approach in England to the rest of the U.K? The rest of the UK is sticking with the stay at home slogan whilst the Prime Minister is advising us to “stay alert” to a microscopic pathogen. 
 

It’s a complete mess and a failure of common sense to have such a mixed message throughout the UK. 

Edited May 10, 2020 by zero000

[Padjeq]

Are they stopping the furlough scheme immediately or what? My work's happy to keep most of us at home on the government's whack.

[philipsteak]

1 minute ago, Padjeq said:

Are they stopping the furlough scheme immediately or what? My work's happy to keep most of us at home on the government's whack.

No

[Mr.Tease]

1 hour ago, Gilgamesh69 said:

Yeah this is all a bit confusing.

Like what's to stop thousands of people from now going to the beach and saying they're there to swim (exercise). What's to stop people from going to sit in the park with all their mates and just lying about being in the same household?

Hopefully, this clarifies things:

 

[DareToDibble]

23 minutes ago, zero000 said:

It’s utterly baffling how different it is here in Wales compared to England. No real relaxation of restrictions besides allowing more exercise and opening a few gardening centres. 
 

Meanwhile everyone in England will be off on a jolly to the beach the next sunny weekend.  What is the rationale for such a different policy approach in England to the rest of the U.K? The rest of the UK is sticking with the stay at home slogan whilst the Prime Minister is advising us to “stay alert” to a microscopic pathogen. 
 

It’s a complete mess and a failure of common sense to have such a mixed message throughout the UK. 

Here's what baffles me the most about it. Wales, Scotland and NI are enforcing stricter lockdown rules than England. But if in say 6 weeks our figures are a lot lower as a result, but England sees another spike (which surely they will?) then Boris and co are going to extend the banning of gatherings/visitng friends and family etc even further. Which I assume will be in force across the entire UK? So despite Wales, Scotland and NI getting it under control (as is the hope) we will still be held back by restrictions put in place by Westminster, wouldn't we?

Edited May 10, 2020 by DareToDibble

[stuartbert two hats]

13 minutes ago, DareToDibble said:

Here's what baffles me the most about it. Wales, Scotland and NI are enforcing stricter lockdown rules than England. But if in say 6 weeks our figures are a lot lower as a result, but England sees another spike (which surely they will?) then Boris and co are going to extend the banning of gatherings/visitng friends and family etc even further. Which I assume will be in force across the entire UK? So despite Wales, Scotland and NI getting it under control (as is the hope) we will still be held back by restrictions put in place by Westminster, wouldn't we?

I'm sorry that the English parliament makes so many decisions for its seemingly more enlightened neighbours.

Edit: re reading that the tone wasn't clear - I'm attempting to express personal shame for my country. Not sure if my response came over a bit glib/dismissive? That wasn't my intent.

Edited May 10, 2020 by stuartbert two hats

[DeanoL]

2 hours ago, Matt42 said:

I am just so confused. Am I allowed to go to a park and drink with friends from different households? 

I'm not planning to but legally what is there to stop me?

This is where the policy falls apart - you are resting on the morality of people to not do it. Which... as we've seen... does nothing.

I think you're missing the actual intent of the policy. It's not to hope people don't do it. It's hoping they do. The government have said they were actually surprised by the level of compliance with the lockdown. The NHS is not at capacity (though much of that is stopping non COVID treatment and people not going for other things when they should be) and they want more people to go catch it, get ill, and build that immunity. This government policy ensures it's the working classes, poor, and stupid who will get ill, and not Tory voters.

There's no magic bullet here until we make the actual magic bullet - the vaccine. So we either lockdown most things until we find a vaccine, which the government see as not economically viable, or we get herd immunity by letting people catch it. But do that at such a rate that the NHS has the capacity to keep the death rate down. But that means if the NHS has spare capacity, you want people to catch it. Problem is of course, most people don't want to catch it. But fuck it, if people are sticking their hands up saying "I want to risk it" then I'm in favour of letting them. Less in favour of the "oh and go to work as well" approach.

1 hour ago, zero000 said:

It’s utterly baffling how different it is here in Wales compared to England. No real relaxation of restrictions besides allowing more exercise and opening a few gardening centres. 
 

Meanwhile everyone in England will be off on a jolly to the beach the next sunny weekend.  What is the rationale for such a different policy approach in England to the rest of the U.K? The rest of the UK is sticking with the stay at home slogan whilst the Prime Minister is advising us to “stay alert” to a microscopic pathogen. 
 

It’s a complete mess and a failure of common sense to have such a mixed message throughout the UK. 

I mean, given the high amount of movement between England and Wales/Scotland under normal circumstances, and how any herd immunity strategy only needs that immunity to develop in a certain percentage of the population, Wales/Scotland are probably going "how about we just let all of England catch it and sort that out for us"

[Zoo Music Girl]

2 hours ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Fuck that. It'll be as effective as smoking areas - I kid you not, millennials (and younger), when I was a nipper in the 80s, they would offer you a smoking or non-smoking seat - in the same theatre. Turns out the smoke didn't give a shit about the signs saying which area was for non-smoking.

With air con units circulating the air, I am not going to be going into the cinema for some time, 2 metres or no 2 metres.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's safe. I'm just saying that icon was more likely to be a cinema ticket since cinemas have been pushing to open and they can at least enforce some kind of distancing. 

[stuartbert two hats]

8 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's safe. I'm just saying that icon was more likely to be a cinema ticket since cinemas have been pushing to open and they can at least enforce some kind of distancing. 

Oh yeah, I'm not disagreeing with you, I've seen socially distanced plans for seated gigs and the cinema seems if anything easier to plan in that way. It's just not for me - at least until there is more data.

[stuartbert two hats]

12 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

 This government policy ensures it's the working classes, poor, and stupid who will get ill, and not Tory voters.

 

How do you think the Tories did so well at the last election? 

[DeanoL]

5 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

How do you think the Tories did so well at the last election? 

Sorry. "Core" Tory voters.

[DeanoL]

Also I don't necessarily think it's actually about getting re-elected. It's more the core of who such a government values and who it thinks should survive. Cummings-eugenicist bullshit basically.

[Smeble]

4 hours ago, DareToDibble said:

Here's what baffles me the most about it. Wales, Scotland and NI are enforcing stricter lockdown rules than England. But if in say 6 weeks our figures are a lot lower as a result, but England sees another spike (which surely they will?) then Boris and co are going to extend the banning of gatherings/visitng friends and family etc even further. Which I assume will be in force across the entire UK? So despite Wales, Scotland and NI getting it under control (as is the hope) we will still be held back by restrictions put in place by Westminster, wouldn't we?

This is the problem with devolution. I can’t for the life of me think why something like this is a devolved issue. We are either a United  Kingdom  or we aren’t. Wishy washy in the middle helps nobody. Unfortunately the devolved nations only like to be part of the UK when it suits them. I’m a firm believer in the UK but it’s untenable now, devolution is the beginning of the end of the UK. 

[mcshed]

6 hours ago, DeanoL said:

I mean, given the high amount of movement between England and Wales/Scotland under normal circumstances, and how any herd immunity strategy only needs that immunity to develop in a certain percentage of the population, Wales/Scotland are probably going "how about we just let all of England catch it and sort that out for us"

I really don't think there's enough movement for us to get herd immunity by proxy.

[steviewevie]

We really are up shit creek.

[WestCountryGirl]

Dr Chaand Nagpaul is on Breakfast and just said that there were still 4000 new cases detected over each day of the weekend. And that's with the restricted access to testing.

That's the situation. It is still spreading readily and yet we are giving the public free reign to socialise outside, because Boris wants to push the idea that we've handled this well.

It absolutely beggars belief. I've not been so depressed about the state of things in weeks.