U.S. Presidential Election

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12 hours ago, FloopFiller said:

Whatever progress was made to move millennials to the left has been completely obliterated with gen z, and that’s a real issue. So many young guys have just gone full misogynist, racist, and red pilled.

I agree about this point, my daughter is 14 and says all the boys in her school love Trump and Farage. I find this quite a scary fact.

 

I agree about your podcast point to the extent that the right are using the platform more effectively, but think it’s simplistic to say the right are talking about simple solutions and the left realism. To me the left need to get better at delivering a message and understanding the priorities of people. If they are prioritising issues like Israel/Palestine or trans rights they will lose many people straight away.

 

I also do feel the right sometimes has a point about a tendency of some on the left to no platform or try to protect people from views they don’t agree with. This macho politics isn’t going away so we need our next generation of  left wing politicians to fight it head on and encourage the debate.

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12 hours ago, philipsteak said:

 

It's not like people on the right are full of love, compassion and respect for left wingers.

I have met compassionate people and twats on both ends of the political spectrum. I think it’s dangerous ti generalise depending on how people vote.

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7 hours ago, steviewevie said:

I wonder if AOC will have a go in 2028? She'll be old enough, is very charismatic, a great speaker and streetwise and hugely popular amongst a certain part of the electorate...but would probably get trounced nationally. I kept hearing people complaining that Harris was a communist.

Still, she might have a go.

The trouble is someone like that may increase the vote in liberal areas they win anyway,  but would be toxic in the swing states.

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6 hours ago, FloopFiller said:

Newsom or Shapiro for ‘28. Unfortunately just gonna have to stick to the tried and tested white guy and they’re both confident and good in the debate side of things so good counters to, presumably, Vance. 

While I like Kamala she came across very establishment and I think Newsom may be the same. I think the California liberal image would work against in areas they need to win.

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8 hours ago, pink_triangle said:

While I like Kamala she came across very establishment and I think Newsom may be the same. I think the California liberal image would work against in areas they need to win.

All candidates are gonna have their problems, but from what I’ve learnt Newsom hates Republicans with a

 passion and is completely ruthless, and after Kamala tried and failed to pander to them and still got her clock cleaned, maybe Democrats need to go full tilt and have their own Liberal strongman/psychopath; guy’s already setting things up to kneecap any effect Trump’s policies could have on California. Running him might end up completely blowing up in their faces, but pandering clearly isn’t the way forward and being Mr/Mrs nice guy ain’t working either. 

 

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18 minutes ago, FloopFiller said:

All candidates are gonna have their problems, but from what I’ve learnt Newsom hates Republicans with a

 passion and is completely ruthless, and after Kamala tried and failed to pander to them and still got her clock cleaned, maybe Democrats need to go full tilt and have their own Liberal strongman/psychopath; guy’s already setting things up to kneecap any effect Trump’s policies could have on California. Running him might end up completely blowing up in their faces, but pandering clearly isn’t the way forward and being Mr/Mrs nice guy ain’t working either. 

 

I wouldn’t say Kamala was a choice to pander to the swing states. I would say that Californian liberal rag is a tough one to sell in those areas.

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13 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

I wouldn’t say Kamala was a choice to pander to the swing states. I would say that Californian liberal rag is a tough one to sell in those areas.

I meant her choice to have the likes of Liz Cheney on the campaign trail with her in a fruitless effort to appeal to the more moderate Republicans. Didn’t work at all. 
 

Maybe Newsom won’t be the eventual nominee, but he’s 100% gonna go for it and, in the case that Trump’s policies end up being the disaster some are predicting, would be great at going scorched earth against Vance and MAGA. 

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55 minutes ago, FloopFiller said:

I meant her choice to have the likes of Liz Cheney on the campaign trail with her in a fruitless effort to appeal to the more moderate Republicans. Didn’t work at all. 
 

Maybe Newsom won’t be the eventual nominee, but he’s 100% gonna go for it and, in the case that Trump’s policies end up being the disaster some are predicting, would be great at going scorched earth against Vance and MAGA. 

I think the week after the election is going to be tricky to say "This guy's absolutely the right guy to be the 2028 nominee". We don't really know what the terrain will be like in 2027 when the contenders begin to assemble.

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I just clocked that Arizona and Nevada are still yet to finish counting.

 

I know it's one of those whats and ifs for alternative realities but that would've been such a shitshow if those two were the deciding states based on 2020 and the pre-election threats were anything to go by. Guess it's moot now.