news & politics:discussion

[kaosmark2]

1 hour ago, Barry Fish said:

GPs are an utter disgrace right now.  And they are the very best paid doctors.  GP access is appalling.

Agreed. They're also the ones that get the privilege of normal hours. 

[fred quimby]

2 hours ago, Barry Fish said:

Just been reading about the kids stuck under the ice - horrific 😞   Apparently coppers where punching at the ice to get them out 😞 

Horrible situation. Still looking for 2 more

[kaosmark2]

2 hours ago, Barry Fish said:

Its the same bogus reason when nurses / train drivers etc say they are striking to improve safety...

Its always about money.  Not that I think that is "wrong" in itself.  Just pointless to dress it up.  No one buys it.

But it isn't always about money. It usually is, but there's plenty of times at somewhere I work that is prefer they hire an extra staff member so that I work closer to only full time, over being paid more.

As frankly, even if you get overtime pay (and in many jobs you don't), you don't actually get any more take home. Going from a 50hr week to a 60hr week means spending more on takeout/taxis because you don't have time and energy to shop and cook properly. You buy the extra 2 coffees to get through the longer days.

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2 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

But it isn't always about money. It usually is, but there's plenty of times at somewhere I work that is prefer they hire an extra staff member so that I work closer to only full time, over being paid more.

As frankly, even if you get overtime pay (and in many jobs you don't), you don't actually get any more take home. Going from a 50hr week to a 60hr week means spending more on takeout/taxis because you don't have time and energy to shop and cook properly. You buy the extra 2 coffees to get through the longer days.

Of course he knows that, we all know what he really means. 

[steviewevie]

so....what class are you?

 

[Neil]

1 hour ago, Barry Fish said:

GPs are an utter disgrace right now.  And they are the very best paid doctors.  GP access is appalling.

Labour fucked up badly with the new gp contracts. 

[steviewevie]

What are GPs doing that is so bad?

[Crazyfool01]

23 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Not seeing patients...  Its like a fire man/women who doesn't like fire...  or a sailor who isn't crazy about water...

? Justify that …. They are under pressure like all health services …. Some things are better done via one to one some done better face to face … much of the issue is around many gps leaving due to stress and or old age . My surgery just lost 4 gps … I guess I could just blame the remaining gps for any added wait or I could understand that there aren’t enough gps coming through the system to take over . 

[fred quimby]

41 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Not seeing patients...  Its like a fire man/women who doesn't like fire...  or a sailor who isn't crazy about water...

I'm lucky where I live. Not an issue seeing GPs here, not that I go very often. I also don't mind a phone call often easier

[steviewevie]

17 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

? Justify that …. They are under pressure like all health services …. Some things are better done via one to one some done better face to face … much of the issue is around many gps leaving due to stress and or old age . My surgery just lost 4 gps … I guess I could just blame the remaining gps for any added wait or I could understand that there aren’t enough gps coming through the system to take over . 

he's chatting shite. In some places they are simply overwhelmed,  like in many parts of the NHS as you say.

[kaosmark2]

1 hour ago, Barry Fish said:

Well in the end doesn't that come back to pay ?  e.g. over time not paying enough ?   or not getting it at all ? 

There has never been a strike in history that didn't either come down to pay or job loses...  

I mean, the more someone gets paid, the more they're willing to put up with bad conditions, but if the strike demands are saying "improve the conditions" not "improve the pay", you should pay attention to literally what's being said.

[steviewevie]

 

[philipsteak]

7 minutes ago, fred quimby said:

I'm lucky where I live. Not an issue seeing GPs here, not that I go very often. I also don't mind a phone call often easier

Same here Haven't had to see a GP for years but recently had cause to. First appointment within a few days (wasn't urgent), blood test the day after, results a week later and follow up two weeks after that. And my local surgery is supposedly going through some major disruption at the moment. 

[Crazyfool01]

2 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

I am chatting shit but your man starter saying exactly the same 

The nhs is broken right the way through … pandemic caused issues and changes to the way people worked and gps the same ( with new online consultations ) . Do you acknowledge a shortage of gps also being an issue ? My aunt and uncle retired shortly after pandemic one a gp .. the other a consultant . I can 100% assure you they neither was doing fuck all . And yes they were both very well paid  

[philipsteak]

1 minute ago, Barry Fish said:

The I am alright jack line of reasoning  😀

Not remotely, just giving a different viewpoint.

[philipsteak]

Just now, Barry Fish said:

Yeah but it's like me saying this countries train service is poor and you saying the 9:10 to Manchester turned up on time.  Irrelevant in the grand scheme 

Cool

[Crazyfool01]

7 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Both are an issue.  

So how do you differentiate? 

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, Barry Fish said:

I just posted...   If you ask your surgery for the numbers they have to tell you.  I did...  Its a fucking joke.

So what did you actually ask ? I’m intrigued I haven’t needed it for a while … as I’ve not needed a gp … but I’ve also had no issues although I suspect that is different now with 4 leaving … I suspect with my surgery that’s now the issue … don’t even know if I’ve got an assigned gp now that’s responsible for my care as mine left amongst them . 

[Neil]

I'd love to have the choice of face to face or even a phone consultation. Not seen my gp after being in hospital am lucky if I can get my meds reviewed. 

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So Nurses will now strike as with rail workers. This is what happens with 12 years of Tory rule forcing stagnant wages and lowering living standards. The Tories have no idea how to deal with any of it. 

[steviewevie]

Sorted.

 

[kaosmark2]

5 hours ago, Barry Fish said:

But they are saying improve the pay... by 19%...

Because over the last 14 years there's been a real terms paycut of 19%. Now the sensible compromise is to spread that rise over the next 5-8 years, instead of frontload it, but that number hasn't come from greed, it's come from people working in hospitals keeping people alive.... relying on food banks to feed themselves.