news & politics:discussion

[steviewevie]

30 minutes ago, lost said:

There was a similar outcry in 2000 when a women from my home town had cancer surgery cancelled 4 times during the winter flu surge and it ended up becoming inoperable:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/602393.stm

We've turned it around before though obviously the difference is the 30% of operations/procedures we cancelled during covid and the check ups missed plus the boomers were in their mid-50's not mid-70's last time. 

 

Labour started it's NHS changes after that winter...more investment plus PFI etc.

[lost]

46 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Labour started it's NHS changes after that winter...more investment plus PFI etc.

Yep 1% on NI and personal allowance frozen. As I said the difference this time is the average person consumes around 70% - 80% of their healthcare spending in the last 5 years of life and the first of the boomers are at that point. Its going to take something of a magnitude bigger this time without reform.

[clarkete]

2 hours ago, Neil said:

doesn't sound like you value what it does.

I certainly value it, paramedics out a couple of times in the last 6 months for my mum, a couple of visits to A&E, 2 or 3 X Rays, a cast fitted and removed, a couple of GP visits/calls.

We just need to support it so they can spend a greater percentage of GDP on it, as other countries do and as Labour did when they were last in power.

[Neil]

11 minutes ago, clarkete said:

I certainly value it, paramedics out a couple of times in the last 6 months for my mum, a couple of visits to A&E, 2 or 3 X Rays, a cast fitted and removed, a couple of GP visits/calls.

We just need to support it so they can spend a greater percentage of GDP on it, as other countries do and as Labour did when they were last in power.

Yes spot on, its council run social care which is needed so that patients can be discharged from hospital. 

[steviewevie]

47 minutes ago, Neil said:

Yes spot on, its council run social care which is needed so that patients can be discharged from hospital. 

National Care Service.

[Neil]

41 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

National Care Service.

no, just the council-provided services there used to be, before cuts in the grants to councils.

[Crazyfool01]

Long thread on that damn nhs !!! 
 

 

[steviewevie]

Happy new year, just don't even think about going anywhere, and make sure you don't get ill or injured.

[Neil]

16 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Happy new year, just don't even think about going anywhere, and make sure you don't get ill or injured.

no so bad my old mum has spent Christmas in hospital, is still there, been treated and is currently waiting for transfer to a rehab ward.

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, Neil said:

no so bad my old mum has spent Christmas in hospital, is still there, been treated and is currently waiting for transfer to a rehab ward.

tell that to those lying on the floor in A&E.

[Neil]

3 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

tell that to those lying on the floor in A&E.

thats not everywhere thank fuck.

[Neil]

17 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Here comes another episode of "Im alright jack"

just pointing out its not dire everywhere, you hear about when its not working properly, you don't hear when it works ok.

[steviewevie]

42 minutes ago, Neil said:

just pointing out its not dire everywhere, you hear about when its not working properly, you don't hear when it works ok.

ok, some trains run on time too.

[Neil]

32 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

If you step back and look at how you are reacting to criticism of the NHS you might see how bizarre it is.  You wouldn't react this way over on any other issue.  The NHS really does feel like more of a national religion than it does a public service sometimes.  The reaction around it is also similar to the illogical way people react around the monarchy as well.

Us Brits are a bit strange.

Trying to add some balance is not a bad thing. 

[steviewevie]

7 minutes ago, Neil said:

Trying to add some balance is not a bad thing. 

Not everything is shit?

[steviewevie]

Maybe that could be what tories can campaign on. Don't listen to the doomsters and gloomsters, not everything is shit.

[Neil]

3 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

So next time you talk about how some families are struggling its okay for me talk about my three holidays and new car 😛  (I won't be having three holidays and I don't have a new car)

I'm not doing that, that's what your warped mind does when i tell the truth that not everywhere is completely fucked.

[steviewevie]

 

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

What a strange stance to take. The NHS crises is just starting to cut through with it becoming national news in some places yet the PM (who’s been MIA) claims it has all the funding it needs. Let’s see if this stance sticks as the crises deepens. 

[steviewevie]

Just now, Ozanne said:

What a strange stance to take. The NHS crises is just starting to cut through with it becoming national news in some places yet the PM (who’s been MIA) claims it has all the funding it needs. Let’s see if this stance sticks as the crises deepens. 

he has been upfront about it, so that makes it ok.

[steviewevie]

European gas prices have fallen due to the mild weather and european countries stocking up and using less...means bills could come down, and also could save the govt some cash with it's subsidies and help to bring down inflation.

[hodgey123]

5 hours ago, Barry Fish said:

If you step back and look at how you are reacting to criticism of the NHS you might see how bizarre it is.  You wouldn't react this way over on any other issue.  The NHS really does feel like more of a national religion than it does a public service sometimes.  The reaction around it is also similar to the illogical way people react around the monarchy as well.

Us Brits are a bit strange.

Absolutely this. It is sacrilege to even think about criticising the NHS or suggesting ways it could be improved. The reality is when you speak to people working inside it that it has never been closer to collapse. 

[steviewevie]

21 minutes ago, hodgey123 said:

Absolutely this. It is sacrilege to even think about criticising the NHS or suggesting ways it could be improved. The reality is when you speak to people working inside it that it has never been closer to collapse. 

uncomfortable truth is if it is going to survive it is going to need more funds from tax, same with social care that is part of the problem. On top of that it needs to be better organised/managed otherwise it will be a lot of wasted money.  This is obvious of course, but the tax/spend thing is the issue, how much, how far...and what "reforms" to go along with it...and will likely be what much of the next election is fought over.

 

[Guest]

18 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

uncomfortable truth is if it is going to survive it is going to need more funds from tax, same with social care that is part of the problem. On top of that it needs to be better organised/managed otherwise it will be a lot of wasted money.  This is obvious of course, but the tax/spend thing is the issue, how much, how far...and what "reforms" to go along with it...and will likely be what much of the next election is fought over.

 

The thing is though our taxes are the highest they’ve been for about a century and the Tories keep claiming they bring them down eventually. So if they need to go up further when will they stop going up? It comes down to faith in the government using our taxes wisely which I don’t think they do. I’m saying that as someone that supports higher taxes for public services. 

[steviewevie]

24 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

The thing is though our taxes are the highest they’ve been for about a century and the Tories keep claiming they bring them down eventually. So if they need to go up further when will they stop going up? It comes down to faith in the government using our taxes wisely which I don’t think they do. I’m saying that as someone that supports higher taxes for public services. 

yeah, well this will have to be part of the conversation and debate. We have this huge health service that already costs more than anything else, and we have an aging population, and terrible inequality. Do we want to keep the NHS as is, or move to a different system? If keeping as is, free at point of delivery, then it is obviously going to need more funds on top of the extra funds already being thrown at it. It's a huge problem, no quick fixes, no easy answers...I certainly don't have any.

Edited January 3, 2023 by steviewevie