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[Nobody Interesting]

https://twitter.com/mikeysmith/status/1704544691616891148

[Skip997]

1 minute ago, Nobody Interesting said:

We are not perfect by a long long way but we try as much as w can - and on days like this I wonder why I f**king bother.
 

You're not far off.

TBH I've sort of given up.

Too much responsibility being put on the "small man/woman" when the changes that need to made/will have the biggest impact are the responsibility of governments/businesses/corporations.

Using my diesel van a little less pales into insignificance compared with factories pumping out millions of tons of GHG to produce sh*t.

[Crazyfool01]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

I am much greener than you.

That is all you need to know.

rubbish 

 

one bag every 3 weeks  4/5. 

car use less than 3 k annual in an 05 plate ..... will use trains for gigs 3/5 

flights .... once every 5 years or so 4/5 

meat consumption 0/5 as I like my meat and really don't fancy changing 

log fire 0/5 although not used every night during winter 

single no kids 5/5 im no impeding burden once in the ground 

clothes ... I sew buttons on but do buy unnecessary gig mech as I like to support the artist .... mostly ethnically sourced though 3/5 

 

[steviewevie]

In terms of smart arse greenery...I'm not that green really.

Consume stuff, throw stuff away. Got a family of fellow consumers. I haven't flown in years, but that isn't out of choice, just family situation, I have flown loads in my life though. Don't eat meat, but do have dairy. Cycle to work unless it's raining hard like this morning and then I drive my old fiesta which I checked and would pass ulez. I don't let it consume me, I am insignificant.

[Neil]

37 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

Flight tax is for long haul frequent flyers but few details on it.

just heard that my step daughter is flying to Canada (with a party of 16) for a week's holiday.

 

its disgusting.if you have to fly at least make it worthwhile.

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, Neil said:

just heard that my step daughter is flying to Canada (with a party of 16) for a week's holiday.

 

its disgusting.if you have to fly at least make it worthwhile.

would have loved sunk challenged on his personal use of his jet today ..... 

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

rubbish 

 

one bag every 3 weeks  4/5. 

car use less than 3 k annual in an 05 plate ..... will use trains for gigs 3/5 

flights .... once every 5 years or so 4/5 

meat consumption 0/5 as I like my meat and really don't fancy changing 

log fire 0/5 although not used every night during winter 

single no kids 5/5 im no impeding burden once in the ground 

clothes ... I sew buttons on but do buy unnecessary gig mech as I like to support the artist .... mostly ethnically sourced though 3/5 

 

ok, you win.

[Neil]

17 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

to get growth on the current system we have to spend and spend on anything and everything including crap nobody

not true. you need a better understanding of economics.:P 

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, steviewevie said:

ok, you win.

that meat eating is bad mind .... might get my wood fired chimney changed to offset 

[steviewevie]

6 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

You're not far off.

TBH I've sort of given up.

Too much responsibility being put on the "small man/woman" when the changes that need to made/will have the biggest impact are the responsibility of governments/businesses/corporations.

Using my diesel van a little less pales into insignificance compared with factories pumping out millions of tons of GHG to produce sh*t.

ok...hold on....you;ve given up and you drive a diesel van?

ever feel like you've been cheated?

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, Crazyfool01 said:

that meat eating is bad mind .... might get my wood fired chimney changed to offset 

yes, you lose on that you bastard.

[Neil]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

ok...hold on....you;ve given up and you drive a diesel van?

ever feel like you've been cheated?

ho obviously doesn't get out much cos round here  most "governments/businesses/corporations." have already swapped to electric vans.

[steviewevie]

 

[lost]

2 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

that meat eating is bad mind .... 

 I could see banning meat having knock on issues. The western high sugar / high carb diet is bankrupting the NHS. Every calorie isn't equal, protein makes you feel fuller much more quickly.

[steviewevie]

Emmanuel and Sir Keir

 

[Skip997]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

ok...hold on....you;ve given up and you drive a diesel van?

ever feel like you've been cheated?

Spent years living off-grid, growing my own veg and weed, didn't own a car for a long time, got everywhere by bike, studied renewable energy, degree in Environmental Resource Management etc.

Was really optimistic, then I realised nothing is really changing, money still rules and 2 degrees (never mind 1.5) ain't happening.

Hoping I'll be back off-grid and growing veg very soon, but more for personal reasons.

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, lost said:

 I could see banning meat having knock on issues. The western high sugar / high carb diet is bankrupting the NHS. Every calorie isn't equal, protein makes you feel fuller much more quickly.

ok...maybe 1 cow per 100 people.

[Crazyfool01]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Emmanuel and Sir Keir

 

that's Charlie ? 

[steviewevie]

Just now, Crazyfool01 said:

that's Charlie ? 

same difference,

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

Spent years living off-grid, growing my own veg and weed, didn't own a car for a long time, got everywhere by bike, studied renewable energy, degree in Environmental Resource Management etc.

Was really optimistic, then I realised nothing is really changing, money still rules and 2 degrees (never mind 1.5) ain't happening.

Hoping I'll be back off-grid and growing veg very soon, but more for personal reasons.

ok ok

[Neil]

4 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Emmanuel and Sir Keir

 

not that friendly, macron sacked off charlie's missus.

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, Neil said:

not that friendly, macron sacked off charlie's missus.

Charlie sacked off his mrs first ... 

[Neil]

Just now, Crazyfool01 said:

Charlie sacked off his mrs first ... 

i'm on about the current Mrs Saxe-Coburg-Gotha.

[Rufus Gwertigan]

14 minutes ago, Neil said:

just heard that my step daughter is flying to Canada (with a party of 16) for a week's holiday.

 

its disgusting.if you have to fly at least make it worthwhile.

I really want to visit my brother in the US who I haven't seen for nearly 30 years. He has offered to pay but I refuse to fly. I have looked on taking a cabin on a cargo ship but it ain't cheap. The journey including train from New York would take 9 or 10 days which I would find difficult on my own with my health. 

[steviewevie]

5 minutes ago, Rufus Gwertigan said:

I really want to visit my brother in the US who I haven't seen for nearly 30 years. He has offered to pay but I refuse to fly. I have looked on taking a cabin on a cargo ship but it ain't cheap. The journey including train from New York would take 9 or 10 days which I would find difficult on my own with my health. 

just fly. It's a one off and it's important.