news & politics:discussion

[steviewevie]

 

[Neil]

49 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jan/20/sajid-javid-calls-for-patients-to-pay-for-gp-and-ae-visits?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

More talk and paying to access the NHS

Dead cat. 

[steviewevie]

6 minutes ago, Neil said:

Dead cat. 

Isn't Javid an Ayn Rand fanboy? He'd probably like us to bin the NHS altogether.

[steviewevie]

and now he's saying this shit because he is nowhere near power, so he can...look at me I'm still relevant etc.

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

and now he's saying this shit because he is nowhere near power, so he can...look at me I'm still relevant etc.

Yep, Javid is stepping down as an MP at the next election so what he says makes no difference whatsoever.

[steviewevie]

14 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Yep, Javid is stepping down as an MP at the next election so what he says makes no difference whatsoever.

I mean...he is an ex health secretary so I guess his opinion matters and could have some influence...but why say this now and not when he was health sec or standing to be leader..?

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

I mean...he is an ex health secretary so I guess his opinion matters and could have some influence...but why say this now and not when he was health sec or standing to be leader..?

To try to stay somewhat relevant? Or because he wants him and his Tory friends to profit from charges in the NHS?

[lost]

2 hours ago, steviewevie said:

 

They could, but it could also push the factionalism over the edge and lead to the party splitting. Dianne Abbott is openly attacking Wes Streeting on twitter now.

[pink_triangle]

2 minutes ago, lost said:

They could, but it could also push the factionalism over the edge and lead to the party splitting. Dianne Abbott is openly attacking Wes Streeting on twitter now.

People always talk about parties splitting, but in our current system there is nowhere for unhappy MPs to go as change uk showed.

[lost]

4 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

People always talk about parties splitting, but in our current system there is nowhere for unhappy MPs to go as change uk showed.

I don't think the spilt would be to form a party capable of governing rather to simply take enough votes to say "oh look Starmer is as/more unpopular as Corbyn"

[Neil]

2 hours ago, steviewevie said:

Isn't Javid an Ayn Rand fanboy? He'd probably like us to bin the NHS altogether.

his dad was a bus driver, don't you know?

[steviewevie]

Just now, lost said:

I don't think the spilt would be to form a party capable of governing rather to simply take enough votes to say "oh look Starmer is as/more unpopular as Corbyn"

yeah, but that is the point made by that thinktank...they say that labour would gain more votes than lose them if shift to right on social policies (which isn't what Abbott is moaning about with Streeting, that is because he is economically to the right).

[steviewevie]

..but I feel Labour has already shifted to right on both economic and social policies...and maybe that's enough!

[steviewevie]

left authoritarians - the sweet spot.

[Crazyfool01]

5 minutes ago, Neil said:

his dad was a bus driver, don't you know?

and Sunaks a pharmacist .... bet no-one knew that either ...... Its amazing they produced such utter c**ts as children !!! 

[Crazyfool01]

3 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

..but I feel Labour has already shifted to right on both economic and social policies...and maybe that's enough!

or too much !!! 

[Crazyfool01]

have any other countries got 2 x law breaking PMS in charge ? ( i use that term lightly ) 

[steviewevie]

I mean Labour would never win saying absurd stuff like this.

 

[Neil]

1 hour ago, Crazyfool01 said:

and Sunaks a pharmacist .... bet no-one knew that either ...... Its amazing they produced such utter c**ts as children !!! 

Javid lived just round the corner from where I live the house is very derelict. The shop is a crap flooring shop. On what was once described as the most dangerous road in the country. 

[Crazyfool01]

2 hours ago, steviewevie said:

I mean Labour would never win saying absurd stuff like this.

 

Maybe the discussion should swing to what use the migrants would be for a country where we have mass job vacancies in numerous sectors and the fact these people would be properly taxed … unlike others and contribute to the economy . Let’s hope at some point we get rid of the influence of murdoch !! Needs someone brave to take them on !!  Sadly starmer is never going to be that person 

[steviewevie]

 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

 

That’s a mental story. 

[LJS]

43 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

That’s a mental story. 

It's ok. He was wearing a seat belt.

[Guest]

They know the game’s up for them at the next election don’t they?

[Neil]

15 hours ago, LJS said:

It's ok. He was wearing a seat belt.

It's only in Scotland its important to wear a seat belt, English cops can find people thrown out of crashed cars.