news & politics:discussion

[hodgey123]

With things like HS2, it always beggars belief to me how governments are not held more accountable for the wastage. We are talking billions of overspend and years of delay. It is our money. In every other walk of life, you would be held accountable for it and would have lost your job years ago.

[Paul ™]

Be lots of nice big holes in the ground north of Birmingham then for a good few years... probably waste a load more money filling them all back in! 

[Neil]

Just now, Paul ™ said:

Be lots of nice big holes in the ground north of Birmingham then for a good few years... probably waste a load more money filling them all back in! 

Thought it was all a big hole in the ground north of brum. 

[LJS]

5 hours ago, steviewevie said:

Gary Linekar saying what opposition should be saying, but unfortunately it's all about winning over a certain section of the electorate.

 

4 hours ago, Neil said:

immigration is labour's weak point for tory attacks. i reckon its best for labour to let the tories get on with it, so it might go-away as an issue,  and  where labour can always look better.

How sad that you feel that way.

 

[Neil]

33 minutes ago, LJS said:

How sad that you feel that way.

i can just recognise that its an issue without an acceptable solution for most of the population. so if the tories sort the issue the issue can't be used  by the tories to damage labour.

[steviewevie]

2 hours ago, LJS said:

 

How sad that you feel that way.

 

yep - well reality is that a lot of voters that labour needs to win over are something called working class or red wall or whatever and they tend to be more on the left on economic policies but to the right on social/culture stuff bless their hearts...so sir keir has to be careful he doesn't upset them by being all soft woke liberal metropolitan elite when that is definitely what he is (not salt of the earth working class geezer like Sunak or Johnson).

Edited March 9, 2023 by steviewevie

[steviewevie]

which is why we need a different electoral system...because I'm fucking sick of having to put up with shite to please these twatty old northern racists.

[steviewevie]

discuss.

[steviewevie]

DISCUSS!

[steviewevie]

where the fuck is ozanne these days?

[Neil]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

yep - well reality is that a lot of voters that labour needs to win over are something called working class or red wall or whatever and they tend to be more on the left on economic policies but to the right on social/culture stuff bless their hearts...so sir keir has to be careful he doesn't upset them by being all soft woke liberal metropolitan elite when that is definitely what he is (not salt of the earth working class geezer like Sunak or Johnson).

They want the Govt to give themhoising, while non brits get a hotel room. 

[Guest]

57 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

where the fuck is ozanne these days?

I am here, what’s going down?

[steviewevie]

19 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

I am here, what’s going down?

Phew. I can't remember now, some shit about boats..just glad you're still here tbh.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Phew. I can't remember now, some shit about boats..just glad you're still here tbh.

Aw thanks mate, you too.

By boats, do you mean ones like this?

 

[steviewevie]

11 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Aw thanks mate, you too.

By boats, do you mean ones like this?

 

Yes, we need to stop them.

Fuck Linekar.

[mattiloy]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

DISCUSS!

Yes we do. I get the argument that Labour need to bend over backwards to impress racists and people too thick to understand that macroeconomics doesn’t work like a household.

Maybe Starmer will pivot in office and be a radical lefty after all and I’d honestly eat all my words. But he and the rest of the people at the Labour tea party at the moment are just too convincing for my money. And the fact they’re blocking any potential MPs who would back that kind of policy platform and filling their candidate lists with people who are basically Cameronite centre/centre rightists tells its own story. 

Please god let it be a hung parliament with a Labour plurality then his hand will be forced one way or the other.

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

Yes we do. I get the argument that Labour need to bend over backwards to impress racists and people too thick to understand that macroeconomics doesn’t work like a household.

Maybe Starmer will pivot in office and be a radical lefty after all and I’d honestly eat all my words. But he and the rest of the people at the Labour tea party at the moment are just too convincing for my money. And the fact they’re blocking any potential MPs who would back that kind of policy platform and filling their candidate lists with people who are basically Cameronite centre/centre rightists tells its own story. 

Please god let it be a hung parliament with a Labour plurality then his hand will be forced one way or the other.

You are hoping with a hung parliament he'd have to agree to pr with lib Dems?

Edited March 9, 2023 by steviewevie

[steviewevie]

I actually don't feel that confident that labour will win, and also not that confident that if they do win they'll be any good...but hey ho.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

I actually don't feel that confident that labour will win, and also not that confident that if they do win they'll be any good...but hey ho.

I’m confident that if Labour win they’ll be good, they’ll have lots to repair from the Tories but they’ll get there and it’ll be so much better than it is now. Have faith!

[mattiloy]

3 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

You are hoping with a hung parliament he'd have to agree to pr with lib Dems?

Yeah. On two accounts, I think a Starmer/Lib govt would be more radical than a Starmer maj because the libs would want to prove themselves after their last catastrophic effort in govt and then even if not, the concession of more democracy in the long run would be worth any lacklustre govt in the short.

[Neil]

10 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

Yes we do. I get the argument that Labour need to bend over backwards to impress racists and people too thick to understand that macroeconomics doesn’t work like a household.

Maybe Starmer will pivot in office and be a radical lefty after all and I’d honestly eat all my words. But he and the rest of the people at the Labour tea party at the moment are just too convincing for my money. And the fact they’re blocking any potential MPs who would back that kind of policy platform and filling their candidate lists with people who are basically Cameronite centre/centre rightists tells its own story. 

Please god let it be a hung parliament with a Labour plurality then his hand will be forced one way or the other.

and the corbynites like you sticking the knife in all the time, really helps him to take a more-left view of things, yeah, and that has its own story too,  watered with self induced bile? 

[Neil]

10 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

I actually don't feel that confident that labour will win, and also not that confident that if they do win they'll be any good...but hey ho.

anything can happen, kinnock looked a shoe-in in '91, but the leftists caused major to win instead.

[mattiloy]

8 minutes ago, Neil said:

and the corbynites like you sticking the knife in all the time, really helps him to take a more-left view of things, yeah, and that has its own story too,  watered with self induced bile? 

Huh?

5 minutes ago, Neil said:

anything can happen, kinnock looked a shoe-in in '91, but the leftists caused major to win instead.

 

Huh?

 

Right wing Labour’s strategy = destroy the left so that you’re the only show in town when the tories cock things up so bad that you have to win the election, lose the election, still the only show in town, things get even worse, win because everyone is at their wits end, don’t do much different to the tories, lose, oops the left won the leadership election, undermine, smear, destroy the left, wait for the tories to cock things up real bad again etc etc fast forward to 2035, poland has a higher gdp per capita than the uk. How did we get here? Corbyn obvs 

[steviewevie]

19 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

Yeah. On two accounts, I think a Starmer/Lib govt would be more radical than a Starmer maj because the libs would want to prove themselves after their last catastrophic effort in govt and then even if not, the concession of more democracy in the long run would be worth any lacklustre govt in the short.

Yeah, I have been kind of sceptical of how much better PR would be, but things are so fucked and stuck at the moment I think we definitely need something different.

Might vote lib dem. 

[steviewevie]

14 minutes ago, Neil said:

anything can happen, kinnock looked a shoe-in in '91, but the leftists caused major to win instead.

Yeah, 92 or 97? that is the question.

(the answer..neither, 2024).