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[Guest]

It isn’t really tricky for Starmer at all, he’s barely mentioned it as it’s not a priority for voters. It’s just the right wingers that liked to bring Starmer back into this debate when they need to distract from Sunak/Tories failures. 

[Kurosagi]

14 minutes ago, lost said:

Looks a tricky one for Starmer, he's tried to stay in the centre ground but neither side seems to be happy with that position currently and he may have to shift fully to one position.

I'm pretty conflicted with Starmer. I have a long standing soft spot for him over his pro bono work for Helen Steel and the McLibel case in the '80s.

I understand that he's desperate to get the Labour party electable again and part of that juggling act has been to be all things to all people all of the time. That was probably a necessary evil in the early days to get people listening and paying attention, but it feels that the act is wearing thin now we're getting closer to the election and he's going to have to (finally) make some hard choices about who he is and what the Labour party represents.

[steviewevie]

I'm a centrist on the trans debate (i.e. staying well out of it).

[lost]

13 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

 it’s not a priority for voters. 

And yet its completely obliterated a certain Scottish party who looked bomb proof a few weeks ago.

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, lost said:

And yet its completely obliterated a certain Scottish party who looked bomb proof a few weeks ago.

Polling regularly shows it as near the bottom of the list of priorities for voters. Starmer is treating it as such.

Hardly anyone will go into a voting booth at the next GE and vote for a Party based on their trans stance. Anyone that claims otherwise is arguing in bad faith. 

Edited April 14, 2023 by Ozanne

[lost]

3 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Anyone that claims otherwise is arguing in bad faith. 

😆

[steviewevie]

9 minutes ago, lost said:

And yet its completely obliterated a certain Scottish party who looked bomb proof a few weeks ago.

that and a missing 600k

[Kurosagi]

3 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Polling regularly shows it as near the bottom of the list of priorities for voters. Starmer is treating it as such.

Hardly anyone will go intimate voting booth at the next GE and vote for a Party based on their trans stance. Anyone that claims otherwise is arguing in bad faith.

It's only in the last week or so that Labour were making a splash about:

"Stevenage Woman: the voter who may decide the next election"

"Disillusioned suburban mother’ identified as key to Labour’s chances"

You raise the really important point about what happens in the polling booth and that's where the speculation kicks in. It'll be interesting to see which way Starmer jumps closer to the time, but the experience of Scotland with self-id has obviously been a political wake-up call such that he's no longer 100% towing the stonewall line at the moment.

[lost]

6 minutes ago, Kurosagi said:

 

"Stevenage Woman: the voter who may decide the next election"

"Disillusioned suburban mother’ identified as key to Labour’s chances"

Yep. This is why leaders always used to do the mums.net interview. They are seen as a key voter group. The issue is now though mums.net is seen as ground zero for British transphobia by certain groups on the left.

Edited April 14, 2023 by lost

[zahidf]

Just now, lost said:

Yep. This is why leaders always used to do the mums.net interview. They are seen a key voter group. The issue is now though mums.net is seen as ground zero for British transphobia by certain groups on the left.

Well it has a lot of transphobia on there. I dont think theres much dispute about that. 

 

Most voters dont really care, its a culture war issue. it has more traction in the US and some newpaper columnists love going on about it. But the Sturgeon stuff is clearly over the missing money rather than the trans bill. 

[steviewevie]

Are all women against the self id thing then?

Or just Stevenage women?

[lost]

5 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Are all women against the self id thing then?

Or just Stevenage women?

Thats the funny thing. From listening to a few feminist podcasts apparently younger girls seem on board with the trans rights. The transphobia appears to kick in around the age they want to start having kids.

Could be a biological / more conditioned to seek out potential threats thing when your going to be carrying a vulnerable baby?

Edited April 14, 2023 by lost

[steviewevie]

6 minutes ago, lost said:

Thats the funny thing. From listening to a few feminist podcasts apparently younger girls seem on board with the trans rights. The transphobia appears to kick in around the age they want to start having kids.

Could be a biological / more conditioned to seek out potential threats thing when your going to be carrying a vulnerable baby?

That's when they become Tory scum too

[zahidf]

33 minutes ago, lost said:

Good to know you'll still support Starmer if he takes the Kate Forbes position.

He'll sit on the fence. Im disappointed, and think they should expel Duffied as a vile TERF, but hes still bettern than the tories on the issue

[steviewevie]

27 minutes ago, lost said:

Thats the funny thing. From listening to a few feminist podcasts apparently younger girls seem on board with the trans rights. The transphobia appears to kick in around the age they want to start having kids.

Could be a biological / more conditioned to seek out potential threats thing when your going to be carrying a vulnerable baby?

also...you listen to feminist podcasts?

[zahidf]

27 minutes ago, lost said:

Thats the funny thing. From listening to a few feminist podcasts apparently younger girls seem on board with the trans rights. The transphobia appears to kick in around the age they want to start having kids.

Could be a biological / more conditioned to seek out potential threats thing when your going to be carrying a vulnerable baby?

Most women are. Its a small ( bit loud) minority making it into a big issue

[lost]

3 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

also...you listen to feminist podcasts?

I listen to Louise Perry from the new statesman's one, yes

[steviewevie]

14 minutes ago, lost said:

I listen to Louise Perry from the new statesman's one, yes

she's the women don't like casual sex woman?

[steviewevie]

 

[Guest]

 

[Guest]

It wasn’t a great offer after all. 

[steviewevie]

56 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

 

outlier.

😉

[steviewevie]

14 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

It wasn’t a great offer after all. 

does feel like the wheels are coming off the little sunak bandwagon.

(little bandwagon, not little rishi).

Edited April 14, 2023 by steviewevie

[steviewevie]

Another French revolution?

[steviewevie]

have labour stopped with those silly sunak attack ads?

(silly ads, not silly rishi)