news & politics:discussion

[Neil]

46 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

Independent surge 

where's the huge green surge you say is happening??

[Skip997]

57 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

Independent surge 

Well true "lefties" need someone to vote for.

 

[steviewevie]

23 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

Well true "lefties" need someone to vote for.

 

they need a political party...can't just have a few independents.

[Skip997]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

they need a political party...can't just have a few independents.

Agree

At the moment they've nowhere to go.

I guess the Greens are the best bet.

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

they need a political party...can't just have a few independents.

The high profile Corbyn leftie MPs won’t do that because they know they’d be on a hiding to nothing and without the resources/branding that the Labour Party brings they fade into obscurity. Look at the NIP for evidence of that. 

[Neil]

14 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

they need a political party...can't just have a few independents.

I think a few independents would suit them, starting off divided cos that's how they'll always be cos those types can't even agree what day it is.

[steviewevie]

27 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

Agree

At the moment they've nowhere to go.

I guess the Greens are the best bet.

Yeah Greens attracting disillusioned left voters but also disillusioned shire Tories.

[steviewevie]

 

[steviewevie]

brave new world

 

[Ryan1984]

 

What??

[Neil]

4 hours ago, steviewevie said:

brave new world

 

govt to officially devalue university education.

[squirrelarmy]

9 hours ago, Ryan1984 said:

What??

Did he beat her black and blue or beat her yellow and gold?

Seriously though looks like she’s better off well clear of him. 

[Guest]

So there is money available. Convenient. 

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

So there is money available. Convenient. 

there isn't, it would just be a pre election giveaway and not what the economy needs. Hopefully Hunt doesn't go there.

[Guest]

26 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

there isn't, it would just be a pre election giveaway and not what the economy needs. Hopefully Hunt doesn't go there.

There’s always money available for the rich. That’s the Tories for you. 

[Kurosagi]

27 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

there isn't, it would just be a pre election giveaway and not what the economy needs. Hopefully Hunt doesn't go there.

It's not an election vote winner though is it. So smells like desperation to shore up their base, prevent them being wiped out in southern seats where lib dems would win rather than labour and to make sure they at least maintain opposition party status.

[Kurosagi]

If the prospects still look desperate then I guess we can see a lot more of these kind of policies coming out. If they think they've totally blown it and fear not being back in power then they've got the majority in the house to put a whole bunch of things into law that either give freebies to their base or completely shaft labour with them wasting most of the first term's legislative time trying to overturn them.

This could get really nasty really quickly if they start panicking and take a doomsday approach. They're already taken approaches that are saddling the next government with financial commitments.

[steviewevie]

9 minutes ago, Kurosagi said:

It's not an election vote winner though is it. So smells like desperation to shore up their base, prevent them being wiped out in southern seats where lib dems would win rather than labour and to make sure they at least maintain opposition party status.

Yep, and would put ball in labour's court, would they raise it again? Cynical.

[Guest]

They are trying to put in as many measures that will help themselves out financially before they get booted out of power. It would give Labour an easy win if they want to raise any taxes by bringing Inheritance Tax back.

[steviewevie]

I expect cutting inheritance tax would be pretty popular.

[Guest]

I don’t think the average voter has much in the way of inheritance whereas the rich would therefore it would be seen as another tax cut for the wealthy. 

[lost]

I'd be surprised if it wasn't just different factions leaking/suggesting stuff. Jeremy Hunt doesn't seem the type.

[pink_triangle]

13 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

I don’t think the average voter has much in the way of inheritance whereas the rich would therefore it would be seen as another tax cut for the wealthy. 

The trouble is the rich don’t pay it, they generally find ways around it.

[steviewevie]

Just Stop Oil always seem to get tickets for the top events. Impressive.

[Kurosagi]

True that it would be unlike Hunt, but he might have his hands tied if the by-elections next week are seismic.

And didn't we have a conversation a week or two back about how labour had foolishly committed themselves to not overhauling the tax system, or promising no major tweaks or some such. Maybe this inheritance tax thing could be deliberately designed to force labour into flip-flopping on their promises and provide the tories with an attack opportunity?