news & politics:discussion

[Neil]

3 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

A sizeable  chunk of the electorate are morons though. If there was a referendum on bringing back capital punishment it would probably be a yes vote. Does't make it right or okay for Labour to support it though does it 

No, but they're still the quality of voters labour has to work with - people like you. Too stupid to think it thru and who think not supporting the good guys Will make things better.

[fraybentos1]

3 minutes ago, Neil said:

Unlike your gibberish overstated unfunded claims.

I provided a source which was the Guardian which quoted research from anti-poverty groups. You have provided nothing apart from total gibberish.

[fraybentos1]

3 minutes ago, Neil said:

I'm happy drinking cocktails on the beach having cashed in those Tory mates of freybentos's.

Again, what the f**k does this even mean...

[fraybentos1]

1 minute ago, Neil said:

No, but they're still the quality of voters labour has to work with - people like you. Too stupid to think it thru and who think not supporting the good guys Will make things better.

not supporting the good guys? saying that labour should be left wing isn't controversial. You have no principles. You stand for nothing. Don't shoot the messenger.

[Guest]

Do we have to use insults in every post?

[Neil]

11 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

not supporting the good guys? saying that labour should be left wing isn't controversial. You have no principles. You stand for nothing. Don't shoot the messenger.

saying that labour have to recognise the electorate isn't controversial, you stand against labour cos you only exist here only to do them down. you have no message except "me-me-me" only your take is valid, starmer can't be better than you at his job,  - but  he is, your version leads to a big tory majority.

[Guest]

This is why Labour have the strategy they have right now, look at those economy scores. 

[gizmoman]

40 minutes ago, Neil said:

Who got the deal those thousand Tories who only destroy or me kerching. 🙂

 

25 minutes ago, Neil said:

I'm happy drinking cocktails on the beach having cashed in those Tory mates of freybentos's.

 

21 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

Again, what the f**k does this even mean...

Let me translate, Neil is pointing out that despite those people leaving efests because of his attitude (he clearly thinks they were all tories), he subsequently went on to sell efests as a going business and made a lot of money, he is now enjoying the "fruits of his labour" drinking cocktails on the beach (this may be a bit of creative language). Bit of a strange way to make socialist arguments but then he can be quite strange at times.

[Neil]

2 minutes ago, gizmoman said:

all tories

tories by their devotion to destroying thinbgs

 

3 minutes ago, gizmoman said:

Bit of a strange way to make socialist arguments but then he can be quite strange at times.

it wasn't me trying to play I'm more socialist than you policy brainless bingo. 😛 

[Neil]

6 minutes ago, gizmoman said:

made a lot of money,

much more than those self-proclaimed experts reckoned i could get.

[fraybentos1]

5 minutes ago, Neil said:

tories by their devotion to destroying thinbgs

 

it wasn't me trying to play I'm more socialist than you policy brainless bingo. 😛 

I’m not a socialist, wouldn’t describe myself as such. Just think someone who claims to be left wing should actually believe in that and not support heinous Tory policies 

[gizmoman]

5 minutes ago, Neil said:

much more than those self-proclaimed experts reckoned i could get.

[Neil]

3 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

I’m not a socialist, wouldn’t describe myself as such. Just think someone who claims to be left wing should actually believe in that and not support heinous Tory policies 

recognising that they're the policies currently in place is not supporting them, changing them takes more than self-congratulatory back slaps? it takes penalising something else.

[Neil]

3 minutes ago, gizmoman said:

something i worked hard to achieve, by not letting the idiots take over. 🙂 

[Neil]

7 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

I’m not a socialist, wouldn’t describe myself as such.

its clear that you're not, you're happy enough to keep the tories.

[fraybentos1]

Just now, Neil said:

its clear that you're not, you're happy enough to keep the tories.

nope. Your argument is that if Labour pledge to get rid of the 2 child cap their own shadow cabinet describe as 'heinous' then there will somehow be such a massive shift in the polls that they lose about 20 points? Laughable.

Tony Blair pledged to eliminate child poverty you total clown

[Guest]

13 minutes ago, Neil said:

its clear that you're not, you're happy enough to keep the tories.

Spot on. 

[Neil]

9 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

nope. Your argument is that if Labour pledge to get rid of the 2 child cap their own shadow cabinet describe as 'heinous' then there will somehow be such a massive shift in the polls that they lose about 20 points? Laughable.

Tony Blair pledged to eliminate child poverty you total clown

I'm saying that if they say they'll make the change they'll be less hot air empty guff -  than you and will say how it's funded. Which will be at the expense of something else.

[fraybentos1]

1 minute ago, Ozanne said:

Spot on. 

You’re supporting keeping cruel tory policies not me!

[fraybentos1]

1 minute ago, Neil said:

I'm saying that if they say they'll make the change they'll be less hot air empty guff -  than you and will say how it's funded. Which will be at the expense of something else.

I’m gonna have to bow out here, this is unreadable 

[Neil]

13 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

nope. Your argument is that if Labour pledge to get rid of the 2 child cap their own shadow cabinet describe as 'heinous' then there will somehow be such a massive shift in the polls that they lose about 20 points? Laughable.

Tony Blair pledged to eliminate child poverty you total clown

Blair did a good'jjob of tackling child poverty but he didn't over promise or over reach.

[Neil]

1 minute ago, fraybentos1 said:

I’m gonna have to bow out here, this is unreadable 

You don't have a problem with your own unintelligible.

[fraybentos1]

6 minutes ago, Neil said:

Blair did a good'jjob of tackling child poverty but he didn't over promise or over reach.

he literally pledged to eradicate it you numpty

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, Neil said:

Blair did a good'jjob of tackling child poverty but he didn't over promise or over reach.

Indeed, New Labour did a good job all round with poverty, sadly the Tories came back in and that hard work was undone. 

[mattiloy]

If New Labour did so well, and the reason that everything has gone to sh*t is that the tories came in and cut spending, how does New New Labour suppose they’ll get things back on track without increasing spending?