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[kaosmark2]

1 minute ago, Crazyfool01 said:

Think I mentioned this might be a vote winner by the time of the next election 

 

 

Starmer wouldn't.

[steviewevie]

Just now, kaosmark2 said:

Starmer wouldn't.

yeah, not happening....but I wonder what reaction actually would be like and how polls would react if he did...either saying he would ask to join the single market, maybe even a referendum to rejoin. The right wing media would go apeshit mental.

[steviewevie]

52 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

Red or blue?

eeny meeny miny moe

[Crazyfool01]

10 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

Starmer wouldn't.

For sure .. bigger and bigger impact and will likely help the Lib Dem’s though … they need to grow a pair of balls and talk about it for what it is and the damage it’s doing … maybe one for the election after once more and more damage has been inflicted 

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

For sure .. bigger and bigger impact and will likely help the Lib Dem’s though … they need to grow a pair of balls and talk about it for what it is and the damage it’s doing … maybe one for the election after once more and more damage has been inflicted 

yeah...but red wall voters...

and lib dems don't talk about it either because of all those brexiters in the SW.

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, steviewevie said:

yeah...but red wall voters...

and lib dems don't talk about it either because of all those brexiters in the SW.

It’s clearly one of their policy’s …. Those red wall voters can change their minds too … politicians like to go with whatever way the wind blows so I expect it’ll happen it’s just when … and that poll is pretty significant 

[steviewevie]

The rejoin thing isn't happening, not any time soon anyway. And even joining single market is difficult politically. What could happen though is we do a series of deals over time that makes it almost the same as being in the single market. Immigration from EU is the tricky bit, businesses want it, the "people" don't.

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

It’s clearly one of their policy’s …. Those red wall voters can change their minds too … politicians like to go with whatever way the wind blows so I expect it’ll happen it’s just when … and that poll is pretty significant 

yes, it really is.

Just wonder what reality would be like when EU say what is required for us to rejoin, if they even allow it at all, and then whether we have a referendum...I assume we would....and then all those arguments all over again...remainer plot etc.

But yes, that poll.

[steviewevie]

plus...I really think we need to concentrate on net zero, not another bloody argument over EU membership. Bit sick of what the "people" want.

[Crazyfool01]

6 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

yes, it really is.

Just wonder what reality would be like when EU say what is required for us to rejoin, if they even allow it at all, and then whether we have a referendum...I assume we would....and then all those arguments all over again...remainer plot etc.

But yes, that poll.

also some very big by election results with that as a policy ... at some point people might figure that we need immigration in this country , we slowly seem to be getting it by stealth anyway with policy that target certain needy sectors ... people might realise without it that social care and the nhs is screwed if we don't recruit from elsewhere 

[Guest]

Ipsos shows 8% of people as having Brexit as an important issue at the moment. I don’t think it’s going to be much of a vote winner at the next general election. 

[Guest]

13 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

plus...I really think we need to concentrate on net zero, not another bloody argument over EU membership. Bit sick of what the "people" want.

You’d think so, most parties get that climate change is one of the top issues, sadly the one party that doesn’t are the Tories. 

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

also some very big by election results with that as a policy ... at some point people might figure that we need immigration in this country , we slowly seem to be getting it by stealth anyway with policy that target certain needy sectors ... people might realise without it that social care and the nhs is screwed if we don't recruit from elsewhere 

well,  it is a very emotive issue. I guess it is the idea of control, leave campaigners used that to great effect with the take control of our borders thing. Now that ire is aimed at boats of illegals (asylum seekers). People like nice immigrants coming in to work in NHS, or pick fruit, or wipe their granny's bum ...but any coming here to seek help can f**k the f**k off. 

A lot of the brexit vote was a reaction to the sudden increase of eastern european immigration, especially from Poland...the media made a meal of it...but it probably did affect many people on lower incomes with housing/health/education resources, but also at same time there was suddenly a whole load of people not speaking english and maybe some people just don't like that.

[pink_triangle]

On 7/27/2023 at 4:44 PM, fraybentos1 said:

You're absolutely kidding yourself if you think Labour are gonna fix that. They'll cave to the nimbys in a flash. Would be pleasantly shocked if i am wrong.

The trouble is if new houses are built in villages, they need to have the infrastructure to manage. Better roads, more school places, more parking, more doctors/nurses. Unfortunately my experience is they build before that is in place.

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

The trouble is if new houses are built in villages, they need to have the infrastructure to manage. Better roads, more school places, more parking, more doctors/nurses. Unfortunately my experience is they build before that is in place.

they need to build where housing is required, is that in villages? It is mainly cities, right?

[steviewevie]

So...with the apparent backlash against green crap...have Just Stop Oil and Extinction Rebellion done more harm than good? Or is it just that the good honest diesel drivers of uxbridge don't want to pay that 12.50 a day for ulez (and overall people don't like the idea of having to pay more during a cost of living crisis)?

[Crazyfool01]

I've posted a poll that supports my view @Ozanne the same .... The Brexit impact isn't going anywhere and becomes more and more significant ... I think I posted about the same thing about 6 months ago on here and those numbers are growing by the day , by the next election im absolutely certain it will enter into conversations ( feel free to save this post ) and quote me later ... at some point the 2 main parties are going to have to soften the leave approach or they piss off a significant chunk of the electorate . Im almost certain I said Labour would have a majority govt at the next election well over 1 year ago ... quote me on that too .... let's see how accurate I am 

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

I've posted a poll that supports my view @Ozanne the same .... The Brexit impact isn't going anywhere and becomes more and more significant ... I think I posted about the same thing about 6 months ago on here and those numbers are growing by the day , by the next election im absolutely certain it will enter into conversations ( feel free to save this post ) and quote me later ... at some point the 2 main parties are going to have to soften the leave approach or they piss off a significant chunk of the electorate . Im almost certain I said Labour would have a majority govt at the next election well over 1 year ago ... quote me on that too .... let's see how accurate I am 

ok, well come back on election day with your saved posts.

I don't think it will hardly be talked about. It will be a mix of cost of living and stop the boats and some inane culture war shite  and probably something unexpected like Starmer dribbling when eating an ice cream or Sunak accidentally punching a small child in the face. Brexit won't get a look in. 

And you can save that too.

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

I've posted a poll that supports my view @Ozanne the same .... The Brexit impact isn't going anywhere and becomes more and more significant ... I think I posted about the same thing about 6 months ago on here and those numbers are growing by the day , by the next election im absolutely certain it will enter into conversations ( feel free to save this post ) and quote me later ... at some point the 2 main parties are going to have to soften the leave approach or they piss off a significant chunk of the electorate . Im almost certain I said Labour would have a majority govt at the next election well over 1 year ago ... quote me on that too .... let's see how accurate I am 

As we’ve been through this many times, just because polling shows a clear majority want to rejoin the EU that doesn’t mean that parties will go for that. They look at their own internal polling of key swing voters which will be telling them something slightly different I’d imagine.

As I’ve pointed out Brexit is down at the bottom of things voters say is most important as they want cost of living etc to be sorted not the same old arguments brought back up again. This is even before we would have to re-negotiate with the EU on a worse deal than we had before and the EU wouldn’t even want us back whilst there is a possibility that the Tories could come back in and take us back out.

It’s the political reality right now that rejoining the EU just isn’t likely and I doubt many people at all will base their vote in 2024 on Brexit. 

[Guest]

I’ve found a new Twitter account 

Classic Blair. 

[Crazyfool01]

10 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

They look at their own internal polling of key swing voters

64 % of voters ..... that includes swing voters ? do we need 100% before labour take notice ? or do they ignore polls posted by crazy fool on efests 

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

64 % of voters ..... that includes swing voters ? do we need 100% before labour take notice ? or do they ignore polls posted by crazy fool on efests 

I'm sure if they thought it would help them in an election they would go for it...

and I know you say it is on some lib dem website or whatever but they never talk about it because the voters they need to win over.

If we could just get rid of all those unwashed townie twats we'd be good, but unfortunately they have quite a lot of sway. It isn't happening crazyfool, maybe one day..but we'll all be old and racist by then.

[Crazyfool01]

Answer is they will look at lots of polls including the one I posted and decide when its worth making significant policy changes based on that 

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

64 % of voters ..... that includes swing voters ? do we need 100% before labour take notice ? or do they ignore polls posted by crazy fool on efests 

That’s the thing, we don’t know the make up of that 64%. If they are mainly concentrated in certain areas (like cities) then it might not be as helpful in an election because Labour will need to appeal to people in key marginals which might not be included in that amount.

From what I know none of the 3 major parties have rejoin as a policy of theirs even the Lib Dem’s. 

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, Crazyfool01 said:

Answer is they will look at lots of polls including the one I posted and decide when its worth making significant policy changes based on that 

all political parties look at these polls, but they have all their own polling and focus groups. They invest massively in this sh*t because you have to if you want to win. So Starmer says things that makes us all very unhappy about child benefits or tree huggers or whatever, but he does that for a reason...the voters he needs to win. 

The problem is humans. We need AI to take over asap. As long as that AI is a nice centre left, woke, internationalist sort of AI. Maybe written by Bill Gates and not Zuckerberg/Musk.