news & politics:discussion

[Guest]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

Trump's is to make America Great Again.

I guess there is some symmetry there.

Trump just wants to stay out of prison at this stage. 

[Neil]

53 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Trump just wants to stay out of prison at this stage. 

not sure he's getting that!

[Rufus Gwertigan]

1 hour ago, Ozanne said:

Trump just wants to stay out of prison at this stage. 

He can still run in prison 

[Neil]

34 minutes ago, Rufus Gwertigan said:

He can still run in prison 

But can pardon himself.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Neil said:

But can pardon himself.

Yeah that’s what I meant. Still would be quite surreal though.

[steviewevie]

If Trump convicted and wins then could get very messy. Even if he wins without any of these charges still hanging over him repercussions could be massive for not just the US but the world. 

[Guest]

I just can’t see him ever going to prison, things mike that don’t happen to people like him. 

[Nobody Interesting]

11 hours ago, fraybentos1 said:

Not cause of lack of demand though, because there’s less flights and due to post covid staff shortages etc 

As there are less flights there is no certain way of knowing that if 100% flight levels had been reached that they would all be full so you cannot know if the demand would have been there.

[fraybentos1]

1 hour ago, Nobody Interesting said:

As there are less flights there is no certain way of knowing that if 100% flight levels had been reached that they would all be full so you cannot know if the demand would have been there.

Can’t ray for sure of course as I’m not mystic, but I’m confident I’d be correct. People are willing to pay the higher prices due to lack of supply pushing them up, if they had a more normal flight prices would have been lower and thus more demand.

 

I do not see a country in 2023 where the middle classes are particularly struggling yet. Emphasis on the YET, 2024 or 5 might be different. If unemployment rises significantly then things will change.  

[Crazyfool01]

Typical Asda pick … 5 customers … the tray underneath contains no value products 

[fraybentos1]

7 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

Typical Asda pick … 5 customers … the tray underneath contains no value products 

Not sure I get your point? Yes some people are cutting back and going for cheaper stuff but also at the same time lots of people aren’t. Marks and Spencer’s is still busy 

[Guest]

I just walked through the high street in my town and there was at least a handful of people out and about; the economy is booming guys!

[fraybentos1]

15 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

I just walked through the high street in my town and there was at least a handful of people out and about; the economy is booming guys!

Do you not live in Worthing? A retirement town by the seaside and it’s shite weather atm. You can cry about it all you want but places are busy and people have money. These things can’t be imagined, see them with my own eyes.

Glasto sold out in like minutes, you were there - it’s an expensive event to go to. Cities are busy and people are spending money. People are going on foreign holidays despite the increased costs. 
 

No idea why you’re determined to create a narrative where everyone’s f**ked when it’s simply not the case. Middle classes are still going to pubs and restaurants and they’re busy. This will likely only change when unemployment rises and a recession kicks in. Which it may well do in 2024. 
 

 

Edited August 5, 2023 by fraybentos1

[Nobody Interesting]

39 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

Can’t ray for sure of course as I’m not mystic, but I’m confident I’d be correct. People are willing to pay the higher prices due to lack of supply pushing them up, if they had a more normal flight prices would have been lower and thus more demand.

 

I do not see a country in 2023 where the middle classes are particularly struggling yet. Emphasis on the YET, 2024 or 5 might be different. If unemployment rises significantly then things will change.  

Due to work I had to travel lots in the last year and did so through Birmingham, Heathrow and Frankfurt airports.

Not one flight I was on was full and ticket prices were pretty much the same as they were pre-pandemic, perhaps 10% at times increase but that did not even account for inflation.

Whatever 'middle class' is - I am not sure anyone really knows anymore - would have  a wide array of people. Some are struggling (I have family and friends who class themselves as 'middle class' who are struggling but I also have family and friends in that same 'class' who are quite comfortable and not having to cut back at all.

Even if airports were at 100% capacity comparatively just because  a flight is going does not mean the end destination costs are the same as they were, many heading to Europe are now camping or using cheaper options (you can see that from individual country economic reports).

To give any blanket coverage to if people are struggling based on if an airport is busy or a cafe, at a time you walk by, is full is, to be quite frank, utterly meaningless and sadly a tool used by some in the media to 'prove' lots of things that are simply untrue.

Tis a long and complex thing going on in the world now - and not something any single thing can sum up.

[Guest]

I only really see Tory MPs ever try to claim the economy is performing well which isn’t a surprise as they like to lie to cover up from their own miss-management of the economy. 

[fraybentos1]

1 minute ago, Nobody Interesting said:

Due to work I had to travel lots in the last year and did so through Birmingham, Heathrow and Frankfurt airports.

Not one flight I was on was full and ticket prices were pretty much the same as they were pre-pandemic, perhaps 10% at times increase but that did not even account for inflation.

Whatever 'middle class' is - I am not sure anyone really knows anymore - would have  a wide array of people. Some are struggling (I have family and friends who class themselves as 'middle class' who are struggling but I also have family and friends in that same 'class' who are quite comfortable and not having to cut back at all.

Even if airports were at 100% capacity comparatively just because  a flight is going does not mean the end destination costs are the same as they were, many heading to Europe are now camping or using cheaper options (you can see that from individual country economic reports).

To give any blanket coverage to if people are struggling based on if an airport is busy or a cafe, at a time you walk by, is full is, to be quite frank, utterly meaningless and sadly a tool used by some in the media to 'prove' lots of things that are simply untrue.

Tis a long and complex thing going on in the world now - and not something any single thing can sum up.

Why are you allowed to give anecdotal stories about your flight prices to prove your point when I can’t do it about how busy everywhere is to prove mine?

Flight prices have risen drastically since covid, that’s a fact. A quick google will prove that.

[Nobody Interesting]

4 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

places are busy and people have money. These things can’t be imagined, see them with my own eyes.

Glasto sold out in like minutes,

 

 

These two comments pretty much sum up my previous answer.

To know how a town in doing economically people being pout proves nothing and how do people out in the town prove they have money? Maybe they were out buying cheap essentials, you don't know from just seeing them nor do I.

Glastonbury also has glamping options that charge £28500 and they sell out - but that means nothing about anything else, just that there are enough people willing to pay that.

Glastonbury replaces holidays for some and the ability to find £350 does not mean the people are all well off.

You will not agree, of that I am certain as for reasons I do not understand you seem quite happy to pretend people are all doing fine cos you see busy cafes, people walking on the high street and one event sell out.

More or less the same as using one month on one graph to prove something that is likely totally untrue.

Enjoy your weekend and always remember, presumptions are wrong most of the time.

[Nobody Interesting]

2 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

Why are you allowed to give anecdotal stories about your flight prices to prove your point when I can’t do it about how busy everywhere is to prove mine?

Flight prices have risen drastically since covid, that’s a fact. A quick google will prove that.

I was merely saying the prices I paid had not risen more than inflation.

The flights I was on were all scheduled. Scheduled have risen little, charter have risen lots.

Still, just pick one sentence and ignore the rest.

Sorry to be blunt but one thing I really hate is judgement on a large chunk of people based on one small view of one thing - such as lots of people on the High Street followed by the claim that they have money.

You do not know, you cannot know and I think the overall picture looking at so many economic facts proves your throw away presumption utterly wrong.

Ta ta

[steviewevie]

saw quite a few dogs in the park this morning.

[fraybentos1]

1 minute ago, Nobody Interesting said:

These two comments pretty much sum up my previous answer.

To know how a town in doing economically people being pout proves nothing and how do people out in the town prove they have money? Maybe they were out buying cheap essentials, you don't know from just seeing them nor do I.

Glastonbury also has glamping options that charge £28500 and they sell out - but that means nothing about anything else, just that there are enough people willing to pay that.

Glastonbury replaces holidays for some and the ability to find £350 does not mean the people are all well off.

You will not agree, of that I am certain as for reasons I do not understand you seem quite happy to pretend people are all doing fine cos you see busy cafes, people walking on the high street and one event sell out.

More or less the same as using one month on one graph to prove something that is likely totally untrue.

Enjoy your weekend and always remember, presumptions are wrong most of the time.

If you actually read my comments which i think I stressed about 10 times. Not everyone is doing fine, but loads of people still have money to spare. Hence why inflation is out of control, airports are packed and places aren’t closing down left right and centre. As I’ve repeated another ten times, this might change in 2024 as IR rises feed through.

[steviewevie]

all the people benefitting from these interest rate rises are out partying.

[steviewevie]

need people to stop eating so much.

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

You will not agree, of that I am certain as for reasons I do not understand you seem quite happy to pretend people are all doing fine cos you see busy cafes, people walking on the high street and one event sell out.

You see people do this all the time, ignore all the facts to cover up from the government’s failings. It’s arguing in bad faith 101.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

need people to stop eating so much.

I saw people eating with my own eyes, the economy is on fire rn.

[fraybentos1]

3 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

I was merely saying the prices I paid had not risen more than inflation.

The flights I was on were all scheduled. Scheduled have risen little, charter have risen lots.

Still, just pick one sentence and ignore the rest.

Sorry to be blunt but one thing I really hate is judgement on a large chunk of people based on one small view of one thing - such as lots of people on the High Street followed by the claim that they have money.

You do not know, you cannot know and I think the overall picture looking at so many economic facts proves your throw away presumption utterly wrong.

Ta ta

Unemployment remains low, that’s a fact. Won’t be till that gets higher that things start to break. 
 

cba repeating myself again, lots of people are struggling and lots of people are still out there spending sh*t loads of money. Isn’t really contentious.