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[steviewevie]

 

[lost]

That argument doesn't make any sense. Haven't labour said if you come from a safe country where no war is going on you'll immediately be rejected and deported?

That seems to be a better way of discouraging the economic migrants posing as asylum seekers.

[Kurosagi]

11 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

Did he really say the truth out loud? f**king hell, I've always suspected that sociopath tendencies is a recruitment criteria for being a tory politician.

And this from Freedman on how this tory position is self-harming at this point:

 

[steviewevie]

2 hours ago, Kurosagi said:

And this from Freedman on how this tory position is self-harming at this point:

 

If/when tories lose badly be interesting to see whether they tack further to the right under someone like Braverman/Badenoch, or pivot more to the centre under someone like Mordaunt or Cleverly. If they want to win back power the centre is probably where they want to be....but that membership...

[steviewevie]

 

[Neil]

2 hours ago, steviewevie said:

 

if he's claiming it as a deterrent its not working otherwise they wouldn't need to ramp up the measures.

[Neil]

6 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

not a problem unless labour does somethin they'd not  talked about previously.

Edited August 9, 2023 by Neil

[Guest]

45 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

If/when tories lose badly be interesting to see whether they tack further to the right under someone like Braverman/Badenoch, or pivot more to the centre under someone like Mordaunt or Cleverly. If they want to win back power the centre is probably where they want to be....but that membership...

You said it, just look at their membership. We know where they are gonna go unless the MPs stitch it up. 

Edited August 9, 2023 by Ozanne

[Kurosagi]

32 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

If/when tories lose badly be interesting to see whether they tack further to the right under someone like Braverman/Badenoch, or pivot more to the centre under someone like Mordaunt or Cleverly. If they want to win back power the centre is probably where they want to be....but that membership...

If they choose Braverman they'll be out of it for a while, but Badenoch is both intelligent and politically astute enough to understand why they lost etc. and make the necessary changes. She could prove a tough opposition leader.

It's labour's to f**k up because they've successfully (and in a very short space of time) reinvented themselves as a centre right party. Mordaunt or Cleverly or any of the more tory moderates will simply have no centre ground to exploit.

Personally I think any 'stability' of labour is an illusion (because the tories have been *so* bad) and once in power are odds on to fall apart pretty similar to how the tories fell apart during this election cycle.

[steviewevie]

maybe they'll pick Lee Anderson.

[steviewevie]

 

[Guest]

 

[fraybentos1]

A good illustration of why house prices in the U.K. need to fall substantially. 

[Crazyfool01]

3 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

A good illustration of why house prices in the U.K. need to fall substantially. 

or wages rise substantially ? or maybe a bit of both ? 

[Guest]

The Bank of England told us to not ask for pay rises as that fuels inflation, then they accepted their pay rises. Obviously if people got paid more than that would help out massively. 
 

Also lower interest rates along with better pay for workers would help people get on the property ladder. Higher interest rates and falling house prices won’t help that at all.

Edited August 9, 2023 by Ozanne

[steviewevie]

10 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

The Bank of England told us to not ask for pay rises as that fuels inflation, then they accepted their pay rises. Obviously if people got paid more than that would help out massively. 
 

Also lower interest rates along with better pay for workers would help people get on the property ladder. Higher interest rates and falling house prices won’t help that at all.

lower interest rates have helped push up house prices.

We need more houses, demand and supply.

Or fewer people.

[Neil]

23 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

A good illustration of why house prices in the U.K. need to fall substantially. 

i'd be very happy for my kid to move in (not lived with him since he was 5, would be great to see more of him), and we had the wife's daughter living here till recently (now 27).

[fraybentos1]

15 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

or wages rise substantially ? or maybe a bit of both ? 

Bit of both would be good but ultimately they’re just overpriced to a daft degree and need to come down. Wage growth is 5 or 6% atm but it’s negative in real terms due to inflation and I don’t see this changing any time soon.

13 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Higher interest rates and falling house prices won’t help that at all.

Amazing how it was substantially easier to buy a home pre 2008 when prices were lower and interest rates were higher then. You’re monumentally dim.

[fraybentos1]

3 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

lower interest rates have helped push up house prices.

We need more houses, demand and supply.

Or fewer people.

Easy supply of credit was the issue to massive QE and near 0 IRs 

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

lower interest rates have helped push up house prices.

We need more houses, demand and supply.

Or fewer people.

If the government have built many more houses and ensured we saw genuine pay growth then combined with lower interest rates it would’ve helped people get on the property ladder. Or we could’ve taxed 2nd homes or other types of legislation. But yeah lower interest rates on their own wouldn’t have done it.

Ultimately the way things are going now won’t do much to help people, as it’s surly the worst of all worlds?

Edited August 9, 2023 by Ozanne

[Neil]

4 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

lower interest rates have helped push up house prices.

We need more houses, demand and supply.

Or fewer people.

you're starting to sound a bit ukippy, talking of which, recently discovered my cousin stood as a ukip councillor, and has now been kicked out of ukip for being too extreme not sure what he did.

[Guest]

Just now, Neil said:

you're starting to sound a bit ukippy, talking of which, recently discovered my cousin stood as a ukip councillor, and has now been kicked out of ukip for being too extreme not sure what he did.

Why is that Ukippy?

[Neil]

3 minutes ago, Neil said:

you're starting to sound a bit ukippy, talking of which, recently discovered my cousin stood as a ukip councillor, and has now been kicked out of ukip for being too extreme not sure what he did.

i just googled its not quite that, just a party spat.

[Neil]

3 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Why is that Ukippy?

fewer people!

[fraybentos1]

6 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

If the government have built many more houses and ensured we saw genuine pay growth then combined with lower interest rates it would’ve helped people get on the property ladder. Or we could’ve taxed 2nd homes or other types of legislation. But yeah lower interest rates on their own wouldn’t have done it.

Ultimately the way things are going now won’t do much to help people, as it’s surly the worst of all worlds?

https://positivemoney.org/2019/09/bank-of-england-confirms-positive-money-analysis-of-house-prices/#:~:text=They suggest that lower interest,The price rises are striking.

Yep nothing helps affording a home more than homes being 8x the average salary!

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 They suggest that lower interest rates, which have been pushed onto a downward trajectory by the Bank of England since the early 1990s, account “for almost all real house price rises since 2000.”

The price rises are striking. In the 1930s a typical three bed house was just 1 and a half times the average annual salary. By 1997 the average house price was 3.6 times the average salary. But in just twenty years that has more than doubled to nearly 8 times, and in London an ‘affordable’ home is 13 times first-time buyers’ salaries. 

Edited August 9, 2023 by fraybentos1