news & politics:discussion

[Neil]

1 hour ago, Ozanne said:

It’s worth a try though isn’t it? Measures such as this would be a good idea.

 

laws that don't work just undermine other laws, there's no point introducing bad law.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Neil said:

laws that don't work just undermine other laws, there's no point introducing bad law.

I’d presume if Labour did bring this in then they’d have done some research to show it could work? At this stage it’s not even policy but something along these lines would be a good start in my mind. 

[steviewevie]

 

[Neil]

54 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

research to show it could work?

do you think it could so many easy ways to work around it. not worth wasting political capital on.

Edited August 10, 2023 by Neil

[Guest]

7 hours ago, Neil said:

do you think it could so many easy ways to work around it. not worth wasting political capital on.

To be honest, I don’t know enough about it. I know it sounds like a good idea but I see what you’re saying. I’d have to see more info if it became Labour policy. 

[Guest]

 

[steviewevie]

Uk economy growing, inflation coming down, rishinomics working wonders and setting up boomtime for labour to turn the country into a socialist green super power.

[steviewevie]

unless interest rate rises push us into recession next year of course.

[steviewevie]

Levelling up

 

[fraybentos1]

A more resilient economy means interest rates will just go up more

[Guest]

4 hours ago, steviewevie said:

Levelling up

 

Wow that’s awful. The U.K. is not in a good place. The news today shows the U.K. economy is essentially stagnating and lags behind pre-pandemic performance. The Tories don’t have any idea how to improve it either. 

[Crazyfool01]

Going well on the barge then 

 

[steviewevie]

1 hour ago, Crazyfool01 said:

Going well on the barge then 

 

If they don't like Legionnaires disease they can f**k off back to France.

[Neil]

who knew that the tories would f**k it up, tricky for labour tho, cos they'll be expected to have a solution, best to sit back and let the tories prove there's no solution.

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, Neil said:

who knew that the tories would f**k it up, tricky for labour tho, cos they'll be expected to have a solution, best to sit back and let the tories prove there's no solution.

the whole thing is a cruel farce. Are they purposely being slow to process these people's asylum in the hope that it puts people off, or is just the system cannot cope because of man power and bureaucracy or whatever? Are they doing it knowing that it f**ks off the natives especially when things are so sh*t, something to blame the state of public services on, the other, the invading scroungers? Because if you could speed up processing then those who get to stay could find work and contribute. They are mostly youngish so wouldn't be such a burden on health services. I guess housing could be an issue (p.s. we need more houses). Anyway, that is how Labour could try and solve it, speed up processing, maybe an amnesty for people from certain countries to clear backlog, but then hard bit is solving the small boats thing. Safe and legal routes is the obvious answer, but no way they could have that in their manifesto. It's a europe wide issue though, a global issue, and it isn't going away, infact it will likely get worse, and needs to be sorted out at that level and kept away from populists and their populations.

[fraybentos1]

30 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

If they don't like Legionnaires disease they can f**k off back to France.

I get that you're joking but perhaps you should watch what you say when anyone could be reading this thread and not realise  you're taking the piss..

[Crazyfool01]

17 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

the whole thing is a cruel farce. Are they purposely being slow to process these people's asylum in the hope that it puts people off, or is just the system cannot cope because of man power and bureaucracy or whatever? Are they doing it knowing that it f**ks off the natives especially when things are so sh*t, something to blame the state of public services on, the other, the invading scroungers? Because if you could speed up processing then those who get to stay could find work and contribute. They are mostly youngish so wouldn't be such a burden on health services. I guess housing could be an issue (p.s. we need more houses). Anyway, that is how Labour could try and solve it, speed up processing, maybe an amnesty for people from certain countries to clear backlog, but then hard bit is solving the small boats thing. Safe and legal routes is the obvious answer, but no way they could have that in their manifesto. It's a europe wide issue though, a global issue, and it isn't going away, infact it will likely get worse, and needs to be sorted out at that level and kept away from populists and their populations.

The issue is the reasons that people come are very different , some fleeing war , some persecution , some hatred for other reasons , some famine how do you classify it ? Do you stop someone coming if the bombs have stopped in a war for example and there is devastation left behind ? I had a date with a Ukrainian girl a few days ago and she is likely to return to Ukraine as she has until the end of the month to find accommodation that is suitable … she’s been offered mouldy stuff here  . Housing needs to sorted but this can be payed back in the wider economy 

[Neil]

32 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Are they purposely being slow to process these people's asylum in the hope that it puts people off

yes they are, the other day i heard a minister claiming a deterrent effect (proven from Australian data he  said).

[Neil]

9 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

Housing needs to sorted but this can be payed back in the wider economy 

housing is soooo much better now  than when i was a kid - when  it seemed like all buildings were mouldy and damp (not seen anything comparable for decades).

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, Neil said:

housing is soooo much better now  than when i was a kid - when  it seemed like all buildings were mouldy and damp (not seen anything comparable for decades).

Not the experience of the Ukrainian girl … she dealt with property back home so has a decent idea and has refused a couple of places now . Don’t know if they get offered more dodgy stuff or not  !! Is probably better overall but there’s some sh*t landlords about still 

[Neil]

38 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

the whole thing is a cruel farce. Are they purposely being slow to process these people's asylum in the hope that it puts people off, or is just the system cannot cope because of man power and bureaucracy or whatever? Are they doing it knowing that it f**ks off the natives especially when things are so sh*t, something to blame the state of public services on, the other, the invading scroungers? Because if you could speed up processing then those who get to stay could find work and contribute. They are mostly youngish so wouldn't be such a burden on health services. I guess housing could be an issue (p.s. we need more houses). Anyway, that is how Labour could try and solve it, speed up processing, maybe an amnesty for people from certain countries to clear backlog, but then hard bit is solving the small boats thing. Safe and legal routes is the obvious answer, but no way they could have that in their manifesto. It's a europe wide issue though, a global issue, and it isn't going away, infact it will likely get worse, and needs to be sorted out at that level and kept away from populists and their populations.

there's various nuanced ways to help manage things but which to those with an anti-mindset sounds a bit too much like letting them all in. and the nuances makes it difficult to communicate as being something different.

[lost]

It will be difficult for labour to claim they don't have £1.4 billion for the child benefit cap for the people who already live here and then claim they have money for people who want to come here. I can't see this issue being fixed purely by getting the Tories out.

[Neil]

1 minute ago, Crazyfool01 said:

Not the experience of the Ukrainian girl … she dealt with property back home so has a decent idea and has refused a couple of places now . Don’t know if they get offered more dodgy stuff or not  !! Is probably better overall but there’s some sh*t landlords about still 

i'm sure there's still lots of sh*t landlords, but mould isn't due to a sh*t landlord, its a consequence of a sh*t building.

[Crazyfool01]

4 minutes ago, Neil said:

i'm sure there's still lots of sh*t landlords, but mould isn't due to a sh*t landlord, its a consequence of a sh*t building.

Both because a landlord shouldn’t be offering accommodation that’s in an unfit state 

[Neil]

8 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

Both because a landlord shouldn’t be offering accommodation that’s in an unfit state 

if the landlord doesn't then the tenant has worse than mouldy - nowhere!