news & politics:discussion

[steviewevie]

6 hours ago, Neil said:

there's another major Chinese property on the brink as well, forget the  name.

this is bad sh*t cos the Chinese housing market has been driving the world economy in recent years.

China actually has deflation too at the moment, they're a bit buggered but in a different way to everyone else.

[Ryan1984]

7 hours ago, Neil said:

its not in the job description to  come in out of working hours, to do special things for patients. nor to break the rules to give special patient care.

 

really is superb when the govt treats them like sh*t, the govt offered a 1% pay rise to the nhs while i was in hospital. if they'd have said f**k off and walked out i wouldn't have blamed them.

They still have their Thursday night claps to look back on. Isn’t that enough? 😉

Considering one of the Tory buzzwords over the past few years has been ‘virtue signalling’, it’s amazing they got away with doing that on such a national scale.

[Crazyfool01]

1 hour ago, Barry Fish said:

Telling the list of scandals was ignored and we are carrying on with the blanket praise for all the wonderful NHS workers 😆   it's worse than a religion,  its more like a cult.

Some parts of the NHS are great and some people working there are great, but as a whole its a serious sh*t show that won't get better just by a change of government.  Its failures are more historic.  Its too political and self serving as well.  It protects itself much like the police do.

Suggest you look at the waiting list and how it changed under last Labour govt … it’s even more broken now than back then but a new govt can change things absolutely. There’s mistakes of course in a service that gets huge amounts of scruitiny , very few things are perfect in life . It’s likely to need a couple of terms of a different govt now to repair it though 

[Crazyfool01]

Oh and I’m going to be all woke and suggest charity’s are great maybe the ceos are paid too much but without people’s generosity then the country and other people would be in a horrendous state . Sad that has to be the case though 

[lost]

Some pretty scary graphs in here regarding both NHS and pensions spending on oldies:

 

[Crazyfool01]

2 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

So just ignore the dead babies and stolen organs as long as your wait a bit less for you ingrowing toe nail?  Isn't that what you are saying here?

Show me where I said that ? 

[Neil]

1 hour ago, Barry Fish said:

Telling the list of scandals was ignored and we are carrying on with the blanket praise for all the wonderful NHS workers 😆   it's worse than a religion,  its more like a cult.

Some parts of the NHS are great and some people working there are great, but as a whole its a serious sh*t show that won't get better just by a change of government.  Its failures are more historic.  Its too political and self serving as well.  It protects itself much like the police do.

The historic failures can be traced back to how the govt is doing things, as an organisation it's flawed but does well anyway at its best when the staff go the extra mile . something they're prepared to do because of the regard people have for the nhs.

[steviewevie]

41 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

Suggest you look at the waiting list and how it changed under last Labour govt … it’s even more broken now than back then but a new govt can change things absolutely. There’s mistakes of course in a service that gets huge amounts of scruitiny , very few things are perfect in life . It’s likely to need a couple of terms of a different govt now to repair it though 

it was easier for last labour govt because economy in better state and growing...if labour are going to throw more money at it then that will likely mean higher taxes.

[cellar]

@Barry Fish Yeah the NHS has problems, but what are you saying is the cause? I think everyone here is of the view that lack of funding has massively contributed to the issues. You say there are political issues, but that's true of any organisation surely? And with better funding, there is presumably less chance of needing to cover up failures (pure speculation on my part).

I think the reason people love the NHS so much is the underlying concept of it... And I would say the vast majority of people working in there are good people trying to help others. Calling out the issues that you have is obviously right to do, but I think its okay to still have love for the institution as a whole.

[steviewevie]

42 minutes ago, lost said:

Some pretty scary graphs in here regarding both NHS and pensions spending on oldies:

 

can't see the scary graphs because behind a paywall. I know pension spend is projected to cost a sh*t load more than other stuff in the future, and something will have to give, triple lock for a start...but these oldies vote...so no one wants to do it.

[Neil]

bloody amazon, didn't try to deliver here , left the package on the doorstep a few doors away. got it now. 🙂

 

[Neil]

the world is sh*t cos supereman doesn't have anywhere to get changed anymore.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

it was easier for last labour govt because economy in better state and growing...if labour are going to throw more money at it then that will likely mean higher taxes.

They could but it might not necessarily be general taxation, they could raise the money via other means such as additional borrowing or windfall taxes.

A Labour government will always be better for the NHS though, as they’ll ensure the service gets better funding and waiting lists always come down with a Labour government. It might not be what the Right want to hear but the NHS is suffering because of the Tories. They do that so they can justify getting rid of it. 

[Guest]

 

 

 

 

[Neil]

1 minute ago, Ozanne said:

A Labour government will always be better for the NHS though, as they’ll ensure the service gets better funding and waiting lists always come down with a Labour government. It might not be what the Right want to hear but the NHS is suffering because of the Tories. They do that so they can justify getting rid of it. 

tories used to rob the capital spending money from the railways so the experience was downgraded and people were happy to see it sold off

[Neil]

sorting out the nhs needs more money to go to councils not to the nhs  so but to councils which will  improve social care provision, so its easier to discharge patients and hospitals work better without bed blocking.

Edited August 18, 2023 by Neil

[steviewevie]

21 minutes ago, Neil said:

bloody amazon, didn't try to deliver here , left the package on the doorstep a few doors away. got it now. 🙂

 

Yeah, bloody Amazon, too much politics, and people treating it like a religion.

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, Neil said:

tories used to rob the capital spending money from the railways so the experience was downgraded and people were happy to see it sold off

Yep, it’s the same tactics being used today. 

[steviewevie]

9 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

They could but it might not necessarily be general taxation, they could raise the money via other means such as additional borrowing or windfall taxes.

A Labour government will always be better for the NHS though, as they’ll ensure the service gets better funding and waiting lists always come down with a Labour government. It might not be what the Right want to hear but the NHS is suffering because of the Tories. They do that so they can justify getting rid of it. 

Think they might max out on the borrowing for all the net zero stuff and the cost of borrowing, and windfall taxes rely on a windfall when NHS need something more fixed and permanent. If we want decent publicly funded health and social services then we're going to need more of those public funds.

[steviewevie]

11 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

 

 

 

 

Hung parliament..would lib Dems go into coalition with labour with Corbs as leader? (and would labour want to?)

[lost]

You'd think freezing personal allowances till 2028 with wage inflation running at these levels is going to create a bit of a windfall. If its enough who knows? 

We can't be too far off someone with an average salary and a student loan entering a tax band where they hand over, over half that income to the state.

[Guest]

22 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Think they might max out on the borrowing for all the net zero stuff and the cost of borrowing, and windfall taxes rely on a windfall when NHS need something more fixed and permanent. If we want decent publicly funded health and social services then we're going to need more of those public funds.

We don’t really have a windfall tax on energy firms at the moment anyway. So they could put a proper one in place and use that to at some funding to the NHS. We also don’t know Labours full plans for taxes yet, they might well surprise us. 

[lost]

He's saying what ever money the NHS gets is needed year after year. With a windfall tax the clues in the name. Its a temporary tax based on a perceived windfall due to extreme external factors. The oil price could be back down at say $50 a barrel by the time labour get in.

Edited August 18, 2023 by lost

[fred quimby]

24 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66120934

Hospital bosses failed to investigate allegations against Lucy Letby and tried to silence doctors, the lead consultant at the neonatal unit where she worked has told the BBC.

The hospital also delayed calling the police despite months of warnings that the nurse may have been killing babies.

Our fantastic NHS and exactly what I was talking about yesterday.  

 

Aye just been listening about this. Dreadful. Let's face it , it's not just the NHS it is probably everywhere. 

[steviewevie]

7 minutes ago, fred quimby said:

Aye just been listening about this. Dreadful. Let's face it , it's not just the NHS it is probably everywhere. 

Everywhere? I hope not.

There is obviously something very wrong with this woman. How she managed to get away with it for so long will no doubt come out in an inquiry.