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5 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

There is obviously something very wrong with this woman. How she managed to get away with it for so long will no doubt come out in an inquiry.

Yeah the Harold Shipman stuff was horrible enough but a women killing babies just seems completely at odds with normality.

[Crazyfool01]

so those half dozen or maybe a dozen people reflect the nhs ? they don't  !!  best pick the bad bits out here ..... Christ there's sh*t bits in many businesses , and it's so horrendous because of the high regard they are held and it doing the opposite to its purpose . 

[steviewevie]

7 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

so those half dozen or maybe a dozen people reflect the nhs ? they don't  !!  best pick the bad bits out here ..... Christ there's sh*t bits in many businesses , and it's so horrendous because of the high regard they are held and it doing the opposite to its purpose . 

Dozen people? Is there a blame game thing going on? Some times you just get nutty people who do horrible things and get away with it because they appear so normal. Not the first time, and won't be the last 

[Crazyfool01]

5 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

But its not just a dozen people ?   its hundreds of people in reality and multiple trusts...  Four trusts are now under major inquires ?   Why are you trying to defend this ? 

I have no doubt you would be all over this if it was the police...

Just like the police, if this is the stuff in the headlines, what the hell is going on below the surface.

Tiny proportion of the total people employed by the nhs ...

 

 

How many NHS staff do you have? There are more than 1.27 million full-time equivalent staff working in NHS trusts in England. This is 51,500 more people compared to a year ago - an increase of 4.2%. There are over 5,300 more doctors and over 12,300 more nurses working in NHS trusts compared to February 2022.

 

as in any organisation these people should be investigated and as you've pointed out they are .... 

[steviewevie]

Anyway, they're doing an inquiry, maybe let that conclude...

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

Dozen people? Is there a blame game thing going on? Some times you just get nutty people who do horrible things and get away with it because they appear so normal. Not the first time, and won't be the last 

in that particular case as far as I can read ?  

[Crazyfool01]

hang on I best get to the private sector there won't be issues there .... 

[Rufus Gwertigan]

8 hours ago, steviewevie said:

Once that fish bloke gets on here the whole thing becomes him slagging off the NHS.

 

Back in the day he used to have a bee in his bonnet over people on benefits having Sky TV. Oh how things change.

[Crazyfool01]

2 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Would you apply the same defence to the police ? 

its been found to be institutionally racist .... that aint a tiny proportion its riddled from top to Bottom 

edit I thought you said the met 

Edited August 18, 2023 by Crazyfool01

[Crazyfool01]

 NHS workers don't have the same power trip as the police . and yes there are also good Police officers im sure 

[Crazyfool01]

17 minutes ago, Rufus Gwertigan said:

Back in the day he used to have a bee in his bonnet over people on benefits having Sky TV. Oh how things change.

wonder if im allowed it on a low income ? do I need to declare my trip to the curry house at the weekend ? 

[Rufus Gwertigan]

Just now, Crazyfool01 said:

 NHS workers don't have the same power trip as the police . and yes there are also good Police officers im sure 

Really? I would argue that. I trained in the NHS in the 80's and witnessed, and reported, horrendous abuse. Seen similar in care homes when I was still nursing.

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, Barry Fish said:

So the answer is no...  ? 

We have FOUR huge trusts under major investigation....  babies dead from poor care and now a murderer who they ignored...  

You need to question the way you think about things.

no I don't thanks ...

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, Barry Fish said:

You might want to read whats coming out today...  This wasn't one women, this was a massive cover up going right to the top.

As usual the fish knows best ... everyone else is wrong im done for today off for a swim 

[steviewevie]

Baz Fish's big campaign. He's been waiting for this moment.

[Guest]

He’s back to his usual ways, don’t give him a bite. 

[fred quimby]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

Everywhere? I hope not.

There is obviously something very wrong with this woman. How she managed to get away with it for so long will no doubt come out in an inquiry.

I don't mean the murdering of babies. More the overlooking things ignoring signs (some didn't in this case it appears) obviously NHS is a massive employer so more people there are to f**k up, and of course the f**k ups are more profound due to their nature.

The met the same with letting a serial rapist carry on.

Recently the baby killed by the parents and social services missing things.

I bet everywhere is the same.

How many reports have I seen where some neighbour of some killer " he seemed fine and normal"

[fred quimby]

Barry is just pointing things out from where I'm standing. Nothing wrong with that. 

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, fred quimby said:

I don't mean the murdering of babies. More the overlooking things ignoring signs (some didn't in this case it appears) obviously NHS is a massive employer so more people there are to f**k up, and of course the f**k ups are more profound due to their nature.

The met the same with letting a serial rapist carry on.

Recently the baby killed by the parents and social services missing things.

I bet everywhere is the same.

How many reports have I seen where some neighbour of some killer " he seemed fine and normal"

Yeah, mistakes are made, people often protect their team...but this person was obviously a determined, calculating, misleading, f**ked up psycho. If anything there will need to be some further regulations or something..but this is still a freak incident.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

Yeah, mistakes are made, people often protect their team...but this person was obviously a determined, calculating, misleading, f**ked up psycho. If anything there will need to be some further regulations or something..but this is still a freak incident.

Yes definitely, let’s not use this to further any agendas. 

[fred quimby]

3 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Yeah, mistakes are made, people often protect their team...but this person was obviously a determined, calculating, misleading, f**ked up psycho. If anything there will need to be some further regulations or something..but this is still a freak incident.

Oh indeed, measure will be put in place. Things will relax later. Another killer will come along and do something again. Same as it ever was. And the signs will be there to catch them earlier and will be ignored 

[fred quimby]

2 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Yes definitely, let’s not use this to further any agendas. 

Really, I don't see Barry as having an agenda at all. 

Maybe he does and I'm sure he can say. But he is just calling out stuff. 

[fred quimby]

1 minute ago, Barry Fish said:

In this case senior consultants where directly saying she is killing the babies and they just told him to shut up.  Says a lot... 
 

Yea  kind of baffling, yet I have met many sh*t middle/senior managers (not nhs) She did cleverly put in a complaint . 

The manslaughter is an interesting point. Not a cat in hells chance sadly I reckon. Bit man they should try. 

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, fred quimby said:

Really, I don't see Barry as having an agenda at all. 

Maybe he does and I'm sure he can say. But he is just calling out stuff. 

Let’s hope he doesn’t have one, if he doesn’t then I take it back. 

[fred quimby]

And why the f**k do we let people not come to court to hear the verdict , or verdicts in this case