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[Guest]

18 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Always the same with you...  I don't agree with the person so they must have an agenda...

Everyone here votes Labour...  Everyone here wants an NHS free at the point of use so shut the f**k up, please.

Fair enough, I was a bit too harsh, I apologise. 

[steviewevie]

You can't block on Twitter...hope they don't do the same here...

[steviewevie]

 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

You can't block on Twitter...hope they don't do the same here...

You can’t block on Twitter?

[Rufus Gwertigan]

2 hours ago, steviewevie said:

Yeah, mistakes are made, people often protect their team...but this person was obviously a determined, calculating, misleading, f**ked up psycho. If anything there will need to be some further regulations or something..but this is still a freak incident.

Not so freak. Off the top of my head there has been Victorino Chua, Beverly Allitt and Harold Shipman in recent times. Psychos have to work somewhere 

[fred quimby]

6 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

They would have to show a gross breach of duty of care.

I would of thought if you ignored the warning of a senior consultant telling you, this person is killing babies, you would hit that benchmark.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/aug/18/lucy-letby-whistleblower-babies-would-have-survived-if-hospital-had-acted-sooner

This is guy is fairly clear on the matter.

Not just one consultant either. Whistleblowing is never easy anywhere so not pointing any fingers but listening to reports today the NHS need to wake up.

[Rufus Gwertigan]

7 minutes ago, fred quimby said:

Not just one consultant either. Whistleblowing is never easy anywhere so not pointing any fingers but listening to reports today the NHS need to wake up.

I don't think it is just the NHS but the private sector as well. It is amazing how people closed ranks quickly. I think many are worried about their own actions coming under scrutiny even though they may be benign.

[Neil]

5 hours ago, Barry Fish said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66120934

Hospital bosses failed to investigate allegations against Lucy Letby and tried to silence doctors, the lead consultant at the neonatal unit where she worked has told the BBC.

The hospital also delayed calling the police despite months of warnings that the nurse may have been killing babies.

Our fantastic NHS and exactly what I was talking about yesterday.  

 

if you expect perfection then the error is yours. the nhs is held in high regard because it aims at a high standard - of caring for everyone on the basis of need. its held in high regard because it reaches those high levels for most of the time. when was the last time you heard of anyone being told they won't be treated?

[Neil]

24 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Just reading the end of the article highlights the problem though.  
 

So basically its all ok, we have made changes, just ignore all the harm we did...

They keep their £200k+ salary, fat pensions and jobs.  There is no one to hold them to accountant for their failures.  Its all so toothless.  Their is little accountable for senior management within the NHS.

Its why I feel they should explore a corporate manslaughter charge.  If only the wake these people up.

you'd do the job so much better, perfect fish.do you think other country's healthcare systems don't have similar problems?

Edited August 18, 2023 by Neil

[Neil]

2 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

I mean just wow really... 

Like I said, people treat the NHS in the same way they would treat a cult they have just joined...

Leftie Neil, defending the £200k a year executives 😞    What shouldn't expect more, we shouldn't expect better....  dead Babies and ignored whistleblowing consultants is the best we should expect...

f**k me, what a day...

i'm defending them from your idiot perfection bollox, nothing has ever gone wrong in your work Mr Perfection.

[fred quimby]

18 minutes ago, Neil said:

you'd do the job so much better, perfect fish.do you think other country's healthcare systems don't have similar problems?

Yes of course they do, they have humans in there as well. doesn't mean we can't try and make ours better than it is. 

[fred quimby]

45 minutes ago, Rufus Gwertigan said:

I don't think it is just the NHS but the private sector as well. It is amazing how people closed ranks quickly. I think many are worried about their own actions coming under scrutiny even though they may be benign.

Oh yea totally it's everywhere. 

 

[steviewevie]

11 minutes ago, fred quimby said:

Oh yea totally it's everywhere. 

 

Just let the robots do it all.

[steviewevie]

1 hour ago, Rufus Gwertigan said:

Not so freak. Off the top of my head there has been Victorino Chua, Beverly Allitt and Harold Shipman in recent times. Psychos have to work somewhere 

Too many psychos obviously.

[fred quimby]

30 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Just let the robots do it all.

Well, there probably is a place for AI in all this. Managers like data and stuff to back up decisions. Sadly some will act more on computer data then someone telling them

[Neil]

39 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

No, I don't think anything has gone wrong to this level thank god...

Just because you've been lucky with the staff you've had.if you'd have had a murderer you Sherlock would have known.

[Neil]

54 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

If I worked in a hospital and I had two senior consultants telling me a nurse is murdering babies I would of done something.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66120934

Maybe have a read and educate yourself on the level of failure and cover up instead of embarrassing yourself on here.  This isn't about perfection, its about negligence. 

cos you'd have found the smoking gun that neither two senior consultants nor the police could find...??

[Neil]

1 minute ago, Barry Fish said:

You clearly haven't read anything have you?   but doesn't stop you posting absolute drivel with no basis in fact.

You win tonight Neil, I haven't the energy for you 🙂 

i'm avoiding the sources of your tabloid views for things of more substance, without your fantasies of perfection.

 

ri'm just calling out your drivel where none of this could have happened under your watch. mr perfection.

[gazzared]

The nurse was pure evil and were just going around in circles with the discussion : -

Barry Fish

 

 

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[Guest]

59 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

I’m quite looking forward to the game tomorrow.

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[cellar]

On 8/18/2023 at 12:12 PM, Barry Fish said:

I really don't disagree with most your view points but it bothers me when people make huge statements like the NHS and all its staff are wonderful when we have major stories breaking about hundreds of babies have been harmed due to absolute negligence etc.  

People are very quick to stick the knife into the police force (and often rightly so) but turn a very big blind eye when it comes to the NHS.  You have wonderful people working in both services but we also have some right rotten types.  You can't ignore a major trail that's going on right now as an example of that (obviously innocent until proven guilty).

When is the cause for these issue in the NHS.  They are obviously varied and complex.  But we enable a culture of negligence, cover up and failure when we just ignore the issues and pretend it all ok because some lovely nurse brought you some toast after the operation you was lucky to have while others are either still waiting or being denied. 

Yeah fair enough - I can understand the frustration, but I don't read the opinions on here as being as naively pro-NHS as you do, maybe. 

The point around reactions to the police is a good one, and I think I'm guilty of thinking more harshly about the police than the NHS, but in reality a cover up is a cover up regardless of the institution. Still can't get my head around that Andrew Malkinson thing, but yeah, murdering babies is really on a whole different level.

[steviewevie]

32 minutes ago, cellar said:

Yeah fair enough - I can understand the frustration, but I don't read the opinions on here as being as naively pro-NHS as you do, maybe. 

The point around reactions to the police is a good one, and I think I'm guilty of thinking more harshly about the police than the NHS, but in reality a cover up is a cover up regardless of the institution. Still can't get my head around that Andrew Malkinson thing, but yeah, murdering babies is really on a whole different level.

In my experience the police are 50% c**ts and doctors/nurses 1% c**ts.

QED