news & politics:discussion

[Neil]

4 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

I am posting because its headline news and its important.  You are just defending the indefensible and making this about me again.  Cheap shots etc.  Nothing new for you.  

i'm not defending anything i'm focusing in on where the problem actually is.needed to fix the problem, won't fix it by blaming the wrong thing.

[Neil]

2 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

But you can't just say, meh, thats people for you... lol. and think thats the end of the discussion and then get nasty (yet again) calling people prejudicial... 

how is it the nhs fault that lucy wassit murdered babies.

[Nobody Interesting]

42 minutes ago, Neil said:

it was recognised in govt, 30+ years ago, that the future was 'leisure' as long as there's appealing leisure options, things will tick on.

I have to disagree that things will tick along. 

If government recognised that the future was leisure then why is government 'bad mouthing' those who have given up work to live that life of leisure telling them they are 'economically inactive'?

I really do not think governments actually understand real people and real life - the PM and most of his cabinet and advisors are wealthy, very wealthy and have all of their lives existed for the acquisition of wealth and more wealth. All policies are to get people working longer and harder to bring growth.

Anyway, I am out of here for  awhile now the  one with scales is back attacking anyone and everyone again........ and all I see are where he is quoted and that is quite enough bile.

[steviewevie]

6 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

I really do not think governments actually understand real people and real life

maybe not, but they have to get those real people to vote for them.

[Nobody Interesting]

The benefits of Brexit - allowing the UK to pollute it's water ways even more.

Shamefull

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66642878

[Nobody Interesting]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

maybe not, but they have to get those real people to vote for them.

'Get Brexit Done'

'No to ULEZ'

'Enter Three Words'

That is the modern political way - slogans with no details so the people think they are going to get what they want, but rarely do.

So simple.

[Neil]

11 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

If government recognised that the future was leisure then why is government 'bad mouthing' those who have given up work to live that life of leisure telling them they are 'economically inactive'?

its meant to be a leisure industry, there's no industry in staying at home.

[lost]

10 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

The benefits of Brexit - allowing the UK to pollute it's water ways even more.

Shamefull

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66642878

People want more houses but don't actually want them, built anywhere.

[steviewevie]

9 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

'Get Brexit Done'

'No to ULEZ'

'Enter Three Words'

That is the modern political way - slogans with no details so the people think they are going to get what they want, but rarely do.

So simple.

you forgot Stop The Boats.

[steviewevie]

Build Back better

Labour Isn't Working

[steviewevie]

Jez We Can

[Neil]

14 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Maybe read up...

There are at least two babies (and quite probably many more) who could have been saved if senior management had listened to the whistle blowers and taken appropriate action.  

so that's people failing, and part of that was to do with protections towards the accused, stuff like not allowed to suspend on a whim.

i've only had to make one major call on the nhs, and when i needed them they were there for me, and i can barely fault the care across the many hospitals i went thru, where i can fault it is when i was being an arse and the nurse was acting in what she thought were my best interests (what she did resulted in me breaking my ribs). and overall with hindsight i think she was spot on ... - ... cos i didn't realise how injured i was, i wasn't safe to go home which is what i was trying to do.

like any organisation its only as good as its people, but it has some amazing people who are trying their best in what are probably difficult circumstances - mistakes will happen.

[steviewevie]

6 minutes ago, lost said:

People want more houses but don't actually want them, built anywhere.

isn't this about more sh*t in rivers.

[Neil]

just woke my laptop up after  a three months sleep and an hour later i'm still trying to get thru the windows  updates.

[lost]

4 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

isn't this about more sh*t in rivers.

Think its anything that can end up in there, waste water from construction, chemicals from washing your car etc..

[Neil]

Just now, Barry Fish said:

So your message to the parents of all the babies affected by all these scandals, issues and outright negligence is not to worry because you had a good experience the one time you needed them (despite acting like a bit of dick apparently) ?   and we shouldn't expect better out of human beings ?   

Mistakes are happening across multiple trusts  around the country resulting in the deaths of thousands of people needlessly.  Its in the papers and on the TV on a weekly basis.  Its getting worse.  Its a senior leadership issue.  

I just find it unbelievable your actually thinking about this properly.  I don't accept for a second you accept this from any other public service or government department.

The NHS...  a UK Cult 😛 

its mostly working okbut they look to improve where they can, recently  a few people i know have swiftly gone thru the cancer path with successful treatment.

its not a cult, its the health service nearly all of us use, so there's a lot to do, and its reasonable to assume people are there with the best intentions, and don't want to f**k up.

[Neil]

15 minutes ago, lost said:

People want more houses but don't actually want them, built anywhere.

who knew that someone else's problem should be someone else's problem.

[Neil]

7 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Neil...

Do you think its ok for the met to be institutional racist ?  Keep in mind many coppers do brilliant things on a daily basis within the met, saving lives etc ? 

Its just people, so it must be ok using your logic ?  We shouldn't complain or take note ? 

of course its not ok, and nowhere have i said "can't complain" ?????

i'm just saying when things do go wrong, and they will go wrong, there's limited  ways that can be dealt with so be realistic, perfection is impossible, but its also the goal.

 

Edited August 29, 2023 by Neil

[Neil]

4 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

NHS isn't a cult but your attitude of not questioning it deeply is cult like. 

no, that's just me refusing to join you in moron mode.

4 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Best intentions are lovely but when you are paid hundreds of thousands of pounds in salary every year to be responsible for the safety of patients and thousands of people die - its a problem.  Even if you want to pretend it isn't

"thousands of people die" lol

[Neil]

1 minute ago, Barry Fish said:

So would you accept its about identifying maybe we have the wrong people and we need to get new people ?   instead of pretending the current people are ok ? 

the current people might be ok, with some better training or supervision/direction. there should be a process to find out where and how specific things went wrong, so those parts are corrected so don't happen again.

[steviewevie]

Get Brexit Done

Make Brexit Work

 

[steviewevie]

Save The NHS

[Neil]

Just now, steviewevie said:

Save The NHS

save it from barry's bullshit.

 

12 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

thousands of people die

 

[Neil]

london - ban the car's keep the jumbo jets.

 

 

[Neil]

Just now, Barry Fish said:

So ignoring yet another personal attack...  This is just a quick fire thing...  No doubt you find it funny (LOL)

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/mar/30/baby-deaths-inquiry-shrewsbury-nhs-trust-condemned-for-repeated-failures 

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/oct/19/east-kent-nhs-trust-might-have-avoided-45-baby-deaths-with-better-care-inquiry-says

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-66086388

In August last year, Norwich South Labour MP Clive Lewis cited claims from local mental health campaigners that there could have been as many as "1,000 avoidable mental illness-related deaths" - a figure the trust said it did not recognise.

so, no actual proof of "thousands", just a number of unfortunate cases where steps have been taken to improve. "Anything that can go wrong will go wrong, and at the worst possible time."