news & politics:discussion

[philipsteak]

Not that it makes our f**k ups any better but it's not like we are alone in these massive infrastructure f**k ups. The supposed kings of efficiency, Germany, managed to make a proper mess of the new Berlin Airport for example.

[Neil]

1 minute ago, philipsteak said:

Not that it makes our f**k ups any better but it's not like we are alone in these massive infrastructure f**k ups. The supposed kings of efficiency, Germany, managed to make a proper mess of the new Berlin Airport for example.

germany is now f**king up it's PPI  by about as much as we did.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Nobody Interesting said:

HS2 is a huge white elephant.

Where it runs there are few plans to add other public transport to join it. It has prices allowed to be far higher than the normal railway and so will be used by those than can afford it. That will free up space on the other railway which will then free up space on the roads which will then get filled by people who think the roads are less busy - see M25 for proof of that.

Outside of where HS2 is due to run there is massive discontent as it is taking business away from that area and increasing the journies people have to make - mostly by car as there is no public transport network.

We need railways, we need buses, we need 'driverless cars' that can be used for commutes with collegues but we need it everywhere and not just one small line that will save a few people a little time and make no difference to 99.9% of the country.

Here are some links to some reading you might fancy:
https://www.greenparty.org.uk/news/2019/11/28/hs2-is-an-act-of-ecocide-green-party-call-for-end-to-devastating-£80-billion-project/

https://hs2.green/its-green-party-policy-to-oppose-hs2/

https://hillingdon.greenparty.org.uk/2020/12/28/hs2-why-greens-oppose/

Cheers for that, I’ll try to read some of those later on.

I’ve not really thought too much about HS2 in those regards as I live on the South Coast so won’t be really be impacted by it but it’s interesting to see why it might not be such a good project. Generally I do support it but like anything else we need to improved infrastructure in other areas of the country that aren’t going to benefit from HS2.

FYI, ignore the people that are moaning at you, you’ve been a welcome addition to the thread! 

[steviewevie]

8 minutes ago, Neil said:

growth will increase tax revenues which expands what govt can spend.

Ok, so leads to more tax, not necessarily taxing more.

[Neil]

1 minute ago, Barry Fish said:

Say what ?

according to you, its all a cover-up.

[Neil]

44 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Ok, so leads to more tax, not necessarily taxing more.

cos people are richer cos of grater economic activity then they complain less about being taxed more, so can be taxed more.

[Neil]

Just now, Barry Fish said:

No, just some things are a cover up, you know, just the bit they try to cover up...

Its hard to cover up once the police (they people you hate so much) have gathered the evidence to secure a conviction.  

glad you can see the bollocks you've been talking.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Neil said:

cos people are richer cos of grater economic activity then they complain less about being taxed more, so can be taxed more.

People will never be richer when the Tories are in power. 

[Neil]

Just now, Barry Fish said:

Dear lord, you haven't made a decent point in about three years.   You lost any sort of thought process years back lol 😛

unfortunately i suffered some brain damage about two years ago, but even if i hadn't i wouldn't be making sense of your posts.

[steviewevie]

 

[Neil]

1 hour ago, Ozanne said:

Cheers for that, I’ll try to read some of those later on.

I’ve not really thought too much about HS2 in those regards as I live on the South Coast so won’t be really be impacted by it but it’s interesting to see why it might not be such a good project. Generally I do support it but like anything else we need to improved infrastructure in other areas of the country that aren’t going to benefit from HS2.

FYI, ignore the people that are moaning at you, you’ve been a welcome addition to the thread! 

As I said a public not wanting to understand the issues. Not a white elephant but a reasonable solution to our maxed-out rail system.

[zahidf]

Well that's escalated 

[Neil]

52 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Sure thing Neil, keep rambling on...  

The ramblings have been yours about a cult and a cover up .

[Neil]

7 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/nhs-government-b2366554.html

Ombudsman finds ‘culture of cover-up’ in NHS when patients are harmed

Rambling or fact ? 

You seem to struggle with this...

thats the past, its not the inquiry yet to happen.

[Neil]

6 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Its only you narrowing this down on to an inquiry that is yet to happen.  

it was you who claimed it'd be a cover-up.ts not perfect but the best that can bve done after the event.

[Neil]

1 hour ago, Barry Fish said:

Nope, as usual you have failed to understand what has been posted.

The cover up happened when they ignored the senior consultants who where whistle blowing and threatened them.  and its one of many cover ups within the NHS I have posted about over the last week or so.  You are getting lost...

You are really having a whopper with this one.

so the inquiry will get to the bottom of things, trying to sort the problems not ignore them, complete opposite of your claims of the last few days.

[Neil]

1 hour ago, Barry Fish said:

A failed cover up is still a cover up.  This is really painful stuff with you.

a failed cover up is an open-up.

[steviewevie]

8 hours ago, zahidf said:

Well that's escalated 

Stupid twat. Khan already gets loads of death threats as it is. Just takes one nutter...

[Nobody Interesting]

2 hours ago, steviewevie said:

Stupid twat. Khan already gets loads of death threats as it is. Just takes one nutter...

Yesterday after Duncan Smith said what he did people went out and vandalised ULEZ cameras.

I sincerely hope the nutters do not act on this.

[Nobody Interesting]

HS2

For those in favour and in reply to a comment from @Neil, how will HS2, which is now likely to be one line from London to Birmingham and little else, improve rail access in Wales, in Northumberland, in East Anglia etc?

Genuine question as you say 'people don't understand'. I would like to understand how it will help areas nowhere near it that are having no money spent improving them.

[Nobody Interesting]

Hydrogen

Yesterday some suggested and shared articles that it was not going to be the future as it could not be created in a clean green way. I have seen those articles before and seen the arguments against many times.

So I have  a question. If hydrogen is not the future, if it is not deemed safe, if it is not deemed to be produceable in a clean green way then why are we moving at pace to introduce hydrogen trains, hydrogen buses, hydrogen lorries and and at a slightly slower pace but still fast, hydrogen planes?

All are deemed clean and green as all will use hydrogen produced in a clean and green way. Why does it, to me at least, seem that it is only cars for the normal person and home heating that it is not possible for? If clean green hydrogen can be produced (and it can and is) then why are those who seem to be able to utilise it not including 'normal people'?

Is it perhaps because the automotive industry has invested too much in electric? Is it because governments and industry have invested too much in heat pump tech? I don't know but there has to be a reason.

Here are some links so you can read all about what the UK, and wealthy world, will have before too long.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-embraces-hydrogen-fuelled-future-as-transport-hub-and-train-announced

https://www.airbus.com/en/newsroom/stories/2020-10-hydrogen-in-aviation-how-close-is-it

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-backed-liquid-hydrogen-plane-paves-way-for-zero-emission-flight

https://eandt.theiet.org/content/articles/2022/06/uk-s-first-mass-produced-hydrogen-truck-unveiled/

https://wrightbus.com/

If hydrogen cannot be produced in a clean green way like articles shared yesterday suggested then why are we investing vast sums of money in all these projects and all these projects say they will use clean green hydrogen?

 

[steviewevie]

7 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

Hydrogen

Yesterday some suggested and shared articles that it was not going to be the future as it could not be created in a clean green way. I have seen those articles before and seen the arguments against many times.

So I have  a question. If hydrogen is not the future, if it is not deemed safe, if it is not deemed to be produceable in a clean green way then why are we moving at pace to introduce hydrogen trains, hydrogen buses, hydrogen lorries and and at a slightly slower pace but still fast, hydrogen planes?

All are deemed clean and green as all will use hydrogen produced in a clean and green way. Why does it, to me at least, seem that it is only cars for the normal person and home heating that it is not possible for? If clean green hydrogen can be produced (and it can and is) then why are those who seem to be able to utilise it not including 'normal people'?

Is it perhaps because the automotive industry has invested too much in electric? Is it because governments and industry have invested too much in heat pump tech? I don't know but there has to be a reason.

Here are some links so you can read all about what the UK, and wealthy world, will have before too long.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-embraces-hydrogen-fuelled-future-as-transport-hub-and-train-announced

https://www.airbus.com/en/newsroom/stories/2020-10-hydrogen-in-aviation-how-close-is-it

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-backed-liquid-hydrogen-plane-paves-way-for-zero-emission-flight

https://eandt.theiet.org/content/articles/2022/06/uk-s-first-mass-produced-hydrogen-truck-unveiled/

https://wrightbus.com/

If hydrogen cannot be produced in a clean green way like articles shared yesterday suggested then why are we investing vast sums of money in all these projects and all these projects say they will use clean green hydrogen?

 

not all hydrogen is green...as long as it is, then fine. Needs regulating etc...hopefully next or future COPs will sort that out.

[steviewevie]

Ben Wallace has resigned as defense minister...looks like they're going to replace him with Shapps.

[Nobody Interesting]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

not all hydrogen is green...as long as it is, then fine. Needs regulating etc...hopefully next or future COPs will sort that out.

I know it is not all green - but it can all be green, with ease. My point is that things like the Guardian article more or less said it cannot be done. But it can and is just not for domestic use and I do not really understand why. EV's in my, and many industry peoples opinions, are not the future and never have been,

[stuie]

11 hours ago, Barry Fish said:

Dear lord, you haven't made a decent point in about three years.   You lost any sort of thought process years back lol 😛.   Its only been the last six month people have been able to read anything you have posted due to the amount errors in the wording you kept making.

You are a total twat.