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[Nobody Interesting]

Just now, Ozanne said:

We won’t get that with the Tories, as I suspect they are backed by the big energy firms in some form or another. Fortunately Labour will invest in those renewables, let’s just hope it’s not too late. 

Labour will not do tidal and have no plans for solar on existing roofs - both IMHO are stupid ommisions and I hope they change their minds.

[steviewevie]

10 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

If, 10 years ago, renewables were built as though we were at war then we could have done it. Now we need t, as you say, phase out fossil fuels as we build renewables fast - and even a slower build would be on tap before nuclear.

I meant phase out nuclear too...that is the Green party policy.

Edited August 31, 2023 by steviewevie

[Nobody Interesting]

Just now, steviewevie said:

I meant phase out nuclear too...that is the Green party policy.

Ah I see. Yes it is and as fast as possible.

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, Nobody Interesting said:

Labour will not do tidal and have no plans for solar on existing roofs - both IMHO are stupid ommisions and I hope they change their minds.

why doesn't anyone seem interested in tidal?

[Nobody Interesting]

Just now, steviewevie said:

why doesn't anyone seem interested in tidal?

It was deemed to be 'too expensive' despite being far cheaper than nuclear. Both Labour and Tories agreed on that.

For an island surrounded by watyer with 2 tides most days it does seem rather daft not to use it.

[Crazyfool01]

2 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

It was deemed to be 'too expensive' despite being far cheaper than nuclear. Both Labour and Tories agreed on that.

For an island surrounded by watyer with 2 tides most days it does seem rather daft not to use it.

things go in waves ... maybe they'll change their minds 

[steviewevie]

12 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

It was deemed to be 'too expensive' despite being far cheaper than nuclear. Both Labour and Tories agreed on that.

For an island surrounded by watyer with 2 tides most days it does seem rather daft not to use it.

yeah, that could be the steady supply of energy instead of nuclear...

[Crazyfool01]

I had a quote for solar a few weeks ago .... 13k for my roof ... would repay itself in 15 years .... unfortuntely price is too high for that amount of time ...  they used to offer grants for this along with insulation but think they got removed by current govt 

[Guest]

29 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

Labour will not do tidal and have no plans for solar on existing roofs - both IMHO are stupid ommisions and I hope they change their minds.

Labour will put solar on rooftops of Social Housing. They say that they will ‘unleash the power of tidal and marine’ and that GBE will invest in developing clean tech such as tidal. 

[Nobody Interesting]

11 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

I had a quote for solar a few weeks ago .... 13k for my roof ... would repay itself in 15 years .... unfortuntely price is too high for that amount of time ...  they used to offer grants for this along with insulation but think they got removed by current govt 

Yes they did remove them - at the same time as increasing subsidies for gas and oil. £13k seems very expensive, the average house would ned 6 panels approx depending on type and they should be around 1.5k each fitted. Maybe you are unluicky to live in a place with little or no competition.

[Nobody Interesting]

9 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Labour will put solar on rooftops of Social Housing. They say that they will ‘unleash the power of tidal and marine’ and that GBE will invest in developing clean tech such as tidal. 

Thanks for that, I had not seen the latest. That is a good change in the right direction.

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, Nobody Interesting said:

Yes they did remove them - at the same time as increasing subsidies for gas and oil. £13k seems very expensive, the average house would ned 6 panels approx depending on type and they should be around 1.5k each fitted. Maybe you are unluicky to live in a place with little or no competition.

8 panels I think .... so wouldn't be too far off .... 

[Nobody Interesting]

Just now, Crazyfool01 said:

8 panels I think .... so wouldn't be too far off .... 

8 panels is normally for a large detached house. Maybe you live in one like that.

We live in a flat in a Victorian building so cannot add the insulation needed to make a heat pump viable if and when they actually make them suitable for flats and tjhe roof is 'communal' so the freeholder has to approve solar panels and guess what, they won't.

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, Nobody Interesting said:

8 panels is normally for a large detached house. Maybe you live in one like that.

We live in a flat in a Victorian building so cannot add the insulation needed to make a heat pump viable if and when they actually make them suitable for flats and tjhe roof is 'communal' so the freeholder has to approve solar panels and guess what, they won't.

victorian terrace ... Tardis 🙂 .... will check back 

[Nobody Interesting]

1 minute ago, Crazyfool01 said:

victorian terrace ... Tardis 🙂 .... will check back 

Former Victorian Spa Town hotel converted into flats.

[Crazyfool01]

Yep was 8 . Project solar who say they are a large company 

[Rufus Gwertigan]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

But, I guess a terrorist targeting a nuclear plant, or a chernobyl like f**kup, could be catastrophic.

Just for interest the nuclear industry has its own police force and they are armed. Never say never but I think a successful terrorist attack unlikely. 

[fraybentos1]

58 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

No nuclear waste is safe - one day somewhere terrorists will target it.

Solar takes no more room if put on roofs and the equilvelant of a power station can be done in a year (from Green party web site after studies). Wind is quick to go up. Tidal 3-5 years. But the government of the day needs to say 'let's do it'

There are a million things terrorists could target, I honestly don't buy that argument.

[Rufus Gwertigan]

1 hour ago, lost said:

 

These Rolls Royce small modular reactors look interesting at cutting costs

They would be available at a community level as well which may have local authorities interest.

[steviewevie]

6 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

Former Victorian Spa Town hotel converted into flats.

mansion

[Nobody Interesting]

2 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

There are a million things terrorists could target, I honestly don't buy that argument.

Indeed there are millions they could target, but they want maximum damage for their effort hence the Twin Towers attack.

There are so many groupos out there already looking to get their hands on spent fuel too - to make dirrty bombs. The more spent fuel there is the more chance some gets to them.

Is it really worth the risk to have electricity in 15 or more years that is 5-210 times more expensive than clean green energy like solar, wind, hydro and tidal? If there were no other quicker cheaper options then yes we need nuclear, but there are plenty of options.

[Nobody Interesting]

3 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

mansion

If we owned it all and lived in it all then sort of I suppose. We live in a 2 bed flat.

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

If we owned it all and lived in it all then sort of I suppose. We live in a 2 bed flat.

no, me.

[Nobody Interesting]

8 minutes ago, Rufus Gwertigan said:

Just for interest the nuclear industry has its own police force and they are armed. Never say never but I think a successful terrorist attack unlikely. 

If you Google 'terrorist attack on army base' there are all too many results in many countries. Armed guards are great but do not stop those who want to cause harm and care not for their own lives sadly.

[Nobody Interesting]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

no, me.

Ah, then my reply is changed to:

You are a right rich so and so then