news & politics:discussion

[Crazyfool01]

10 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

Question about this site.

When will the festival listing start getting updated regulalrly like they used to. Still no yearly drop downs since 2020 and this year loads were never listed.

Lots of future ones not on there either and it really was a great resource for finding new festivals that seems to have been mostly left.

Hopefully the new owner is working on plans to revive and improve.

probably best to dm him direct ... hasn't been online for a few days @Neil are you still helping out ? any idea ? edit scrap that Neils replied above 

Edited September 1, 2023 by Crazyfool01

[Neil]

13 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

@Neil are you still helping out ? any idea ? edit scrap that Neils replied above 

i'm not helping out with content (that's not what i'm retained for), that side of things is now all down to iggy.  it's an awful lot lot of work, have to throw yourself into it, to keep on top of it.

 

 

[steviewevie]

 

 

[Neil]

getting the data for these things must be a chore (mostly from VAT returns i think), and the data won't always be fully current.

[steviewevie]

just shows ONS are f**king useless and we can now get those f**king rates up. BOOM!

[steviewevie]

by time Labour gets in UK will have highest GDP in G7.

[steviewevie]

(although growth is bad of course).

[philipsteak]

3 hours ago, Barry Fish said:

Still a grumpy git though 😛

My favourite thing about him. And that's not to play down his achievements but I do like the fact he just can't be arsed with all the media stuff and makes no attempt to hide it. 

[Nobody Interesting]

29 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

just shows ONS are f**king useless and we can now get those f**king rates up. BOOM!

Growth numbers are adjusted for every country every year and alterations happen for up to a decade after initial numbers are released.
Shows how little GDP really shows regardless of if it is good or bad as the realities are not known for a long time later.

and yes, the growth figures are dire if that is what success is measured on.

If you measure it on the 'wealth and health' of the least well off (if they are doing well then everyone is doing well) then they are worse than dire and likely show  much truer reflection of the state of things than the wealth of the wealthy.

[Neil]

32 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

(although growth is bad of course).

it creates some space for more borrowing, which is good.

[Neil]

36 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

just shows ONS are f**king useless

people like them are only as good as their data, anyone who has ever done a few vat returns will know that their data will always be out of date, and when that out-of date is accounted for to be as up to date as possible the numbers are still subject to revision for the next 3 months.

[lost]

Incapacity benefits to be changed next week apparently:

 

[steviewevie]

18 minutes ago, lost said:

Incapacity benefits to be changed next week apparently:

 

That's nice of them.

[steviewevie]

Heard this this morning and it was actually very moving.

 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Neil said:

people like them are only as good as their data, anyone who has ever done a few vat returns will know that their data will always be out of date, and when that out-of date is accounted for to be as up to date as possible the numbers are still subject to revision for the next 3 months.

It could also mean we are recession now as we narrowly avoided recession based on their previous data which has now been revised upwards which makes recent results worse in comparison. We should see at the end of September further data for more recent quarters. 

[Nobody Interesting]

15 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

It could also mean we are recession now as we narrowly avoided recession based on their previous data which has now been revised upwards which makes recent results worse in comparison. We should see at the end of September further data for more recent quarters. 

Data gets updated and reviewed for up to 10 years. GDP really is only a rough guide, for example a self employed person has their previous years accounts used until they submit new ones and that can be up to 10 months after the end of the tax year and so almost 2 years after a quarter that used the old figures.

As I have said before, GDP was never intended to be used how it is by the person that devised it.

There are many far better ways of measuring it.

https://ethical.net/politics/gdp-alternatives-7-ways-to-measure-countries-wealth/

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/04/five-measures-of-growth-that-are-better-than-gdp

Interesting to see where the UK and USA are in some of those.

[Guest]

 

 

 

 

[Nobody Interesting]

3 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

 

 

 

 

and they think yet another PM will change that!!!! They are beyond pathetic.

[steviewevie]

23 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

 

 

 

 

f**kin'ell...they really are eating themselves.

[Neil]

41 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

f**kin'ell...they really are eating themselves.

just not fast enought, labour need to move a confidence motion.

[steviewevie]

6 minutes ago, Neil said:

just not fast enought, labour need to move a confidence motion.

no point in that.

Probably not many letters anyway, just a few Johnsonites. They know they have to stick with Sunak now.

[Guest]

There's no point in Labour doing it, it won't pass. They are best to just leave the Tories to it and besides Sunak would win the internal Tory VONC anyway.

[Neil]

Just been looking at aome house porn in cheaper parts of the country to see what I could get if I cashed in the expensive south for somewhere grotty or not so grotty, and to have some cash leftover. Good to see some nice options, ones I didn't expect such as York.

[mattiloy]

6 hours ago, steviewevie said:

Heard this this morning and it was actually very moving.

 

Nothing gets my gall up more than this cuddly tory shite. That slithering hypocrit shares culpability for all of the extra suicides that sadly took place as a result of their sh*tty austerity.

[Neil]

the fake shiek has died his story is one about how far and how rich, bullshit can take you.