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[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, Nobody Interesting said:

I said ages ago that the Tories will spend a year putting the nastiest of nasty Tory policies in place so:

1) It forces Labour to keep them and thus become more 'right'
or
2) It forces Labour to scrap them and be accused of hating the rich and being bad with the economy as it costs the tax payers money

Win win for the Tories..................

or a triple win as they put all the vile policies in place and win the election.................. then they know they can pretty much do anything they want.

I think Labour are going to go back to 2030 for the EV thing, but not reverse the boiler target.

[Neil]

10 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

We have a zombie government.

that sounds very blackdadder....

 as does starmer discovering green pure green . 😛 

 

Edited September 24, 2023 by Neil

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

I said ages ago that the Tories will spend a year putting the nastiest of nasty Tory policies in place so:

1) It forces Labour to keep them and thus become more 'right'
or
2) It forces Labour to scrap them and be accused of hating the rich and being bad with the economy as it costs the tax payers money

Win win for the Tories..................

or a triple win as they put all the vile policies in place and win the election.................. then they know they can pretty much do anything they want.

Plus a nice little side benefit is they out in place policies that benefit Infosys...

[Neil]

I reckon the election is going to be in may. All the main parties have started their campaigns, trying to make clear what they'd do in govt.

[Nobody Interesting]

28 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

I think Labour are going to go back to 2030 for the EV thing, but not reverse the boiler target.

So cos they are being accused of costing poor people money they run scared and stick with Tory plans.

Oh dear - The Tories will run rings round them if they do this sort of thing.

The Tory/Right PR team is a strong beast and well oiled.

[Nobody Interesting]

19 minutes ago, Neil said:

I reckon the election is going to be in may. All the main parties have started their campaigns, trying to make clear what they'd do in govt.

Exactly what I said on this thread a few weeks ago - May or early June............................................... that's when you said November LOL

[Nobody Interesting]

The human race showing it's vile face. Give it a new toy and it decides to do this with it.

If I were the planet I might want rid of us too.

 

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[steviewevie]

8 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

Exactly what I said on this thread a few weeks ago - May or early June............................................... that's when you said November LOL

no one knows for sure yet.

[cellar]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

They wouldn't have done the net zero target scrapping thing if their focus groups and polling hadn't indicated it was a vote winner. 

Oh was that about net zero?

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, cellar said:

Oh was that about net zero?

I was suggesting that maybe what Tories and labour have been saying about net zero, asylum seekers and future EU deals could attract those Don't Knows back to Tory.

[steviewevie]

Looks like a big chunk of the electorate still up for grabs.

[Neil]

1 hour ago, Nobody Interesting said:

Exactly what I said on this thread a few weeks ago - May or early June............................................... that's when you said November LOL

I was suggesting November as a month when it might be not as a prediction for when I thought it would be. That was a few weeks ago since then the parties have gone into campaign mode, like it's coming soon-ish.

Edited September 24, 2023 by Neil

[Nobody Interesting]

41 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Looks like a big chunk of the electorate still up for grabs.

The Don't Know's are lumped in with the will not votes though - and 18% not voting is quite normal (can be as high as 24/25%)

To get any real picture they need to separate those groups.

[Nobody Interesting]

41 minutes ago, Neil said:

I was suggesting November as a month when it might be not as a prediction for when I thought it would be. That was a few weeks ago since then the parties have gone into campaign mode, like it's coming soon-ish.

It certainly is coming soonish and there will be a tax cut announced in March as they know that can swing opinion by 5% (previous elections have shown that quite often).

Polls over the next few weeks will not really give much indication as each party gets a boost when their conference is on and then that fades in the weeks after before any real picture comes out.

I think the Tories have several 'populist' things ready and waiting to announce at conference and will see opinion on them before adding the best ones to the Kings' Speech in November

[Guest]

I don't think tax cuts will move polling very much this time round. The public know the economy is not in good shape so would likely see tax cuts as irresponsible and desperate from a desperate government.

 

 

[steviewevie]

16 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

The Don't Know's are lumped in with the will not votes though - and 18% not voting is quite normal (can be as high as 24/25%)

To get any real picture they need to separate those groups.

well in that pic it seems to suggest in 2019 a lot of them voted tory.

[Nobody Interesting]

20 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

well in that pic it seems to suggest in 2019 a lot of them voted tory.

2019 was very different - Corbyn had been damned by the media and so middle voters ran from him and Brexit swayed many so it could be 'got done'

[Nobody Interesting]

23 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

I don't think tax cuts will move polling very much this time round. The public know the economy is not in good shape so would likely see tax cuts as irresponsible and desperate from a desperate government.

 

 

Same situation as 1992, sh*t economy................... tax cuts given, 5 more years won.

Never forget the power of the 'I'm Alright Jack' mentality where if you feel it benefits you enough you soon forget the bigger picture................

and they will sell us tax cuts as 'proof' they have managed the economy really well.

[cellar]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

I was suggesting that maybe what Tories and labour have been saying about net zero, asylum seekers and future EU deals could attract those Don't Knows back to Tory.

Ahhh gotcha

[Neil]

27 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

I don't think tax cuts will move polling very much this time round. The public know the economy is not in good shape so would likely see tax cuts as irresponsible and desperate from a desperate government.

they will sell tax cuts as the way to revitalise the economy!

[Neil]

1 minute ago, Neil said:

they will sell tax cuts as the way to revitalise the economy!

porobably also - we cancelled hs2 so you can have tax cuts.

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

Same situation as 1992, sh*t economy................... tax cuts given, 5 more years won.

Never forget the power of the 'I'm Alright Jack' mentality where if you feel it benefits you enough you soon forget the bigger picture................

and they will sell us tax cuts as 'proof' they have managed the economy really well.

It's not like 1992, the polls are completely different and tax cuts on their own will barely make any impact to people's finances. If the government are deeply unpopular then it'll take a lot more to move the polls much closer. Tax cuts on their own probably won't make much difference and just because it happened before doesn't mean it's guaranteed to happen again.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Neil said:

porobably also - we cancelled hs2 so you can have tax cuts.

It's a scatter gun approach from a government that how no coherent strategy and the public will likely see through it given how bad things have got under the Tories.

[Neil]

33 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

I don't think tax cuts will move polling very much this time round. The public know the economy is not in good shape so would likely see tax cuts as irresponsible and desperate from a desperate government.

 

 

don't think tax cuts will move polling much but they will perk up the tories and that might  move the polling.

[Neil]

3 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

It's a scatter gun approach from a government that how no coherent strategy and the public will likely see through it given how bad things have got under the Tories.

public will see thru it, but will also have to believe the alternatives will be better.