news & politics:discussion

[Neil]

10 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

You keep saying this and you must think it’s an intelligent point to make but let me tell you, it isn’t. You seem to act like by ‘affordable’ I mean free. 

you mean something which isn't market rate which you said you have a problem with make your mind up????

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[Neil]

8 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

Help to buy and stamp duty holiday. 2 interventions which raised prices. Google it.

they only raised prices cos there were buyers to buy, anything that enables buyers also rises prices. that'll only change when there's fewer wanting to buy.

[fraybentos1]

3 minutes ago, Neil said:

you mean something which isn't market rate which you said you have a problem with make your mind up????

 

 

 

The market has been influenced and over inflated by the government, how do you not understand this??

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-10390259/amp/Help-Buy-homes-time-buyers-expensive-says-House-Lords-report.html
 

 

[Neil]

Just now, fraybentos1 said:

The market has been influenced and over inflated by the government, how do you not understand this??

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-10390259/amp/Help-Buy-homes-time-buyers-expensive-says-House-Lords-report.html
 

 

over-inflated by buyer-demand, more then by the govt. without the buyer-demand prices don't rise.

 

 

[Neil]

if you wanna increase demand fulfilment then you're inflating prices.

[fraybentos1]

6 minutes ago, Neil said:

over-inflated by buyer-demand, more then by the govt. without the buyer-demand prices don't rise.

 

 

Facilitated by government intervention and stupidly low interest rates.

 

Anyway I cba arguing with a brick wall. House prices are dropping and will continue to drop for at least the next year which is a good thing for society. 

[Neil]

1 minute ago, fraybentos1 said:

Facilitated by government intervention and stupidly low interest rates.

 

Anyway I cba arguing with a brick wall. House prices are dropping and will continue to drop for at least the next year which is a good thing for society. 

yeah prices are dropping house opposite me has fallen 25%

[lazyred]

14 minutes ago, Neil said:

they only raised prices cos there were buyers to buy, anything that enables buyers also rises prices. that'll only change when there's fewer wanting to buy.

Or when supply is increased

[Neil]

if you want govt to somehow enable buyers prices will go up again. there's also recent wage rises to impact into prices.

[Neil]

Just now, lazyred said:

Or when supply is increased

supply can't be increased by enough to influence prices.

[Neil]

Just now, Neil said:

supply can't be increased by enough to influence prices.

part of the problem with that is houses cant appear in the places people wanna buy.

[fraybentos1]

4 minutes ago, Neil said:

if you want govt to somehow enable buyers prices will go up again. there's also recent wage rises to impact into prices.

I don’t want them to enable buyers. How much clearer can I be? I don’t want demand side reforms, I was supply side reforms. Like building more fkn houses 

[fraybentos1]

4 minutes ago, Neil said:

supply can't be increased by enough to influence prices.

Nonsense. It clearly can. You’re just ignoring the principle of supply and demand cause it doesn’t suit ur narrative?

[Neil]

5 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

Nonsense. It clearly can. You’re just ignoring the principle of supply and demand cause it doesn’t suit ur narrative?

where can the houses be built in enough numbers to make a big dent in the wanna buys by enough to affect prices?

and where are the builders in enough numbers to do that?

[Neil]

if the buyers are happy to move areas, they can afford to buy now!
(new houses would also require a change of area.)

 

[Neil]

if you want cheap i recommend hull 😛 

[fraybentos1]

5 minutes ago, Neil said:

where can the houses be built in enough numbers to make a big dent in the wanna buys by enough to affect prices?

and where are the builders in enough numbers to do that?

There’s tonnes of green belt that can be built on and also density can be improved in existing places. Look at a city centre in most of Europe and you’ll see what can be done. 
 

No idea about builders, not my problem. All I know is it’s clearly doable cause we’ve done it here before.

 

[Neil]

5 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

There’s tonnes of green belt that can be built on

and no one wants to live on those sorts of remote estates when they're built. if you want to live remotely from your preferred location you

Edited October 9, 2023 by Neil

[lazyred]

10 minutes ago, Neil said:

where can the houses be built in enough numbers to make a big dent in the wanna buys by enough to affect prices?

and where are the builders in enough numbers to do that?

Britain is not densely populated. Green belt needs reforming and planning regs updated to stop the nimbys. The builders will take time to train but we can use immagrant labour in the short term

[lazyred]

3 minutes ago, Neil said:

and no one wants to live on those sorts of remote estates when they're built.

Popular places like Cambridge and York are constrained by green belt. We also need new towns in the south 

Edited October 9, 2023 by lazyred
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[Neil]

2 minutes ago, lazyred said:

Britain is not densely populated. Green belt needs reforming and planning regs updated to stop the nimbys. The builders will take time to train but we can use immagrant labour in the short term

people don't  want to live on remote estate oon the green belt  but  if you want to live remotely from your preferred location you can already afford to buy

[Neil]

1 minute ago, lazyred said:

Popular places like Cambridge and York are constrained by green belt. We also need new towns in the south 

york is very cheap for the older houses in the better locations

[fraybentos1]

I’ve never seen someone so determined to make out that nothing can be done about the housing crisis. So many bizarre takes. 

[lazyred]

4 minutes ago, Neil said:

york is very cheap for the older houses in the better locations

York is the most expensive area in Yorkshire. Average is 319000 

https://www.twindig.com/market-views/yorkshire-humber-house-prices

This is the York green belt

 

[Neil]

1 minute ago, fraybentos1 said:

I’ve never seen someone so determined to make out that nothing can be done about the housing crisis. So many bizarre takes. 

its cos i've seen it play out and have thought about it, you're not offering solutions.