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[steviewevie]

Oh it does say rising fuel prices reason hasn't come down.

[steviewevie]

Biden was probably hoping to make a break through with this trip, talking to all sides (except Hamas of course!), but that's all gone now. 

[Guest]

27 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Oh it does say rising fuel prices reason hasn't come down.

Yes Sir. So as raising interest rates would have no impact on fuel prices coming down then it’s kinda what I’ve been saying all along about supply side inflation.

Also Sunak is failing. 

[steviewevie]

 

[squirrelarmy]

So it’s looking like it was a rocket site based in a hospital that misfired killing the operators on the ground. Lots of great propaganda material from the aftermath. 
 

Both sides are as bad as each other. There will be no winners in this conflict due to the participants strong beliefs in their own causes. Neither side will stop until the other side ceases to exist. 

[SheffJeff]

40 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said:

So it’s looking like it was a rocket site based in a hospital that misfired killing the operators on the ground. Lots of great propaganda material from the aftermath. 
 

Hagar is claiming that the rockets were fired from a cemetery rather than the hospital so what you're writing is incorrect based on what we know so far.

[fraybentos1]

2 hours ago, Ozanne said:

Rising fuel prices keeping inflation high, looks like raising rates isn’t working. 

Another 0.25 rise to come in November!

[cellar]

9 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

Another 0.25 rise to come in November!

You did say there would be, fair play.

Also was reading yesterday that wages outpaced inflation for the first time in a while (I think these were the actual figures revised over estimates from earlier this year). Still, some positive news.

[squirrelarmy]

34 minutes ago, SheffJeff said:

Hagar is claiming that the rockets were fired from a cemetery rather than the hospital so what you're writing is incorrect based on what we know so far.

The story keeps changing as more evidence is uncovered. What is definitely false is 500 people being killed  by an Israeli airstrike on a hospital. Didn’t stop the usual subjects using that false propaganda to spread their own agenda. 

[fraybentos1]

42 minutes ago, cellar said:

You did say there would be, fair play.

Also was reading yesterday that wages outpaced inflation for the first time in a while (I think these were the actual figures revised over estimates from earlier this year). Still, some positive news.

Yeah I think private sector is seeing better pay rises than public so doesn’t apply to all but hopefully remains the case.

Unless there’s a massive recession I don’t see rates being below 5 percent by end of 2024.

[steviewevie]

14 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said:

The story keeps changing as more evidence is uncovered. What is definitely false is 500 people being killed  by an Israeli airstrike on a hospital. Didn’t stop the usual subjects using that false propaganda to spread their own agenda. 

Yeah shows that people need to be very careful about throwing round accusations when any doubt... especially when situation is so tense as it is now. If this was a genuine accident, then not only has it killed a lot of people, it has also made escalation to a wider war much more likely.

There really needs to be a ceasefire to allow aid into Gaza and to allow some sort of negotiations to start. 

[cellar]

46 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

Yeah I think private sector is seeing better pay rises than public so doesn’t apply to all but hopefully remains the case.

Unless there’s a massive recession I don’t see rates being below 5 percent by end of 2024.

Yeah I think you're right, and will be the right course of action.

Interested to see what the impact of Christmas will be like this year - if I remember right last year was a drop from 2021, but still one of the highest in Europe.

We just rely on Christmas to keep our economy afloat don't we?

[steviewevie]

 

[mattiloy]

1 hour ago, squirrelarmy said:

What is definitely false is 500 people being killed  by an Israeli airstrike on a hospital. 

According to the IDF..

The same IDF who at first blamed the assassination of shireen Abu akleh on palestinians- later determined to be killed by an israeli sniper.

There is nothing definite here. Neither side have much in the way of credibility. The first casualty of war and all that.

Edited October 18, 2023 by mattiloy

[steviewevie]

24 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

According to the IDF..

The same IDF who at first blamed the assassination of shireen Abu akleh on palestinians- later determined to be killed by an israeli sniper.

There is nothing definite here. Neither side have much in the way of credibility. The first casualty of war and all that.

yes, but still needs to be conclusive if going to accuse Israel which is what everybody was doing last night, because what it can lead to.

[steviewevie]

this guy has done a long thread looking at photographic evidence...

 

[mattiloy]

10 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

this guy has done a long thread looking at photographic evidence...

 

When i studied history at GCSE it was mostly based around critical analysis of various publications. One of the things i remembered is to always check the source.

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

When i studied history at GCSE it was mostly based around critical analysis of various publications. One of the things i remembered is to always check the source.

Nice research. Ok I don't believe the zionist scum. I will stick to what Hamas says.

[mattiloy]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

Nice research. Ok I don't believe the zionist scum. I will stick to what Hamas says.

Not saying that it wasn’t them but he also qualifies his post saying he has basically expertise. So its at best just meaningless speculation.

We will probably never know the truth. The thing is that even if it wasnt the IDF it is probably not beyond them and it is in their interests to obfuscate and deny. We arent going to get any independent reports because nobody from the outside can get in.

At the end of the day its just more dead kids and whether it was or wasnt the IDF the outcome should be the same- an immediate ceasefire.

[steviewevie]

what about this guy...

 

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

Not saying that it wasn’t them but he also qualifies his post saying he has basically expertise. So its at best just meaningless speculation.

We will probably never know the truth. The thing is that even if it wasnt the IDF it is probably not beyond them and it is in their interests to obfuscate and deny. We arent going to get any independent reports because nobody from the outside can get in.

At the end of the day its just more dead kids and whether it was or wasnt the IDF the outcome should be the same- an immediate ceasefire.

No, and I am not saying IDF aren't being c**ts, but with the case of this bombing it is very dangerous to say it was Israel without proof because of what it could lead to, and is in fact leading too. Biden was due to talk to Arab leaders in West Bank and Jordan which is better than not talking, but now that gone...now we have more anger, especially in Lebanon and West Bank which could blow up and lead to a bigger war that could engulf the whole area. 

[steviewevie]

After the initial shock last night I did start thinking why would Israel be so stupid as to deliberately bomb a hospital just before Biden's visit...Netanyahu does have some extremist maniacs in his govt (great argument against PR btw), but even so surely military leaders knew this would backfire massively. So, thought most likely a tragic mistake somehow.

Still doesn't excuse all the other sh*t going on from both sides. They're all c**ts.

[Enkidu]

So for how long are Starmernerds going to defend him? Even when he's supporting a state thats committing crimes against humanity, you'll still defend him 🙄

[mattiloy]

5 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

what about this guy...

 

CNA appears to be a thinktank funded by the US navy.

Also think its strange that several analysts for different state military affiliated think tanks are simultaneously coming out with the same analysis on their personal accounts - ’views my own’ - without their organisation officially coming out with the same analysis.

I know you’ll probably think I’m veering into tinhat territory but thats because our baseline of trust in these kind of institutions is apparently very different.

Whether it was Hamas or the IDF, whats clear is that the more dangerous is if its the IDF. So it is 100% in the interests of the US and allies to coordinate counter claims to try to confuse the situation and bring the arab nations back to the table, isnt it?

Basically, if this was Hamas or if it was the IDF and this is a cover up, these kind of people would be doing the same thing. So the truth remains unknowable.

[mattiloy]

6 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

After the initial shock last night I did start thinking why would Israel be so stupid as to deliberately bomb a hospital just before Biden's visit...Netanyahu does have some extremist maniacs in his govt (great argument against PR btw), but even so surely military leaders knew this would backfire massively. So, thought most likely a tragic mistake somehow.

Still doesn't excuse all the other sh*t going on from both sides. They're all c**ts.

This is assumes that the leaders are rational actors and that there is 100% control down the chain of command.

There is a lot of evidence that undermines both of those assumptions.