steviewevie Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 I know everyone thinks Starmer is a rabid right wing tory bastard fascist and all that...but I like to think he is just trying to win an election in a country that either votes tory, or votes labour when they look and sound tory...let's just see what they actually do when they have power, and a big landslide will give them that. Trouble is...democracy...so after a few years they'll be worrying about the next election...and the Tories will be coming at them with anti-green anti-migrant pro-tax cut policies that might be appealing if things are still sh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skip997 Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 9 minutes ago, steviewevie said: Trouble is...democracy... Correct "The greatest argument against democracy is to have a five minute conversation with the average voter. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 6 minutes ago, Skip997 said: Correct "The greatest argument against democracy is to have a five minute conversation with the average voter. " yeah, maybe we should bin it and go back to a proper monarchy again. Those were the days. Plus, Charles is a proper hippy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skip997 Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/13/suella-braverman-tory-party-home-secretary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 I think Tories might start doing a bit better if they start going all one nationy. Racism only gets you so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 15 minutes ago, steviewevie said: I think Tories might start doing a bit better if they start going all one nationy. Racism only gets you so far. Quite possibly, the Tories do play politics on easy mode. Imagine if all this happened under Labour, they’d be torn apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skip997 Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 23 minutes ago, steviewevie said: I think Tories might start doing a bit better if they start going all one nationy. Racism only gets you so far. What's the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 30 minutes ago, Skip997 said: What's the difference? one nation tories are supposedly more liberal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skip997 Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, steviewevie said: one nation tories are supposedly more liberal Yea, I've just read up on it. It's never happened under any Tory government in my time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, Skip997 said: Yea, I've just read up on it. It's never happened under any Tory government in my time. well, Cameron, May and Johnson all considered themselves one nation tories...so make of that what you will... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skip997 Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 1 minute ago, steviewevie said: well, Cameron, May and Johnson all considered themselves one nation tories...so make of that what you will... It advocates the preservation of established institutions and traditional principles within a political democracy, in combination with social and economic programmes designed to benefit the ordinary person https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-nation_conservatism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Skip997 said: It advocates the preservation of established institutions and traditional principles within a political democracy, in combination with social and economic programmes designed to benefit the ordinary person https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-nation_conservatism more Keynes than Friedman...or something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 Esther McVey is back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, steviewevie said: Haha it’s starting. Let’s have more of these in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 she's worried about Starmer and his socialist cabal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink_triangle Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 3 hours ago, Kurosagi said: ...but whilst I want the tory gits to take a beating at the GE, I don't want a labour landslide and would prefer a messy hung parliament to keep Starmer honest. A messy hung parliament could fall early and let the Tory’s back in, I say be careful what you wish for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattiloy Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 1 hour ago, steviewevie said: Maybe its a bit snobby of me and there is no evidence to suggest that MPs are smarter than anybody else, in fact all evidence points to the contrary, but I find it amost incredible how poor her written English is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 Looks like Sunak shifting position a bit on Israel...as are more and more western leaders... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 The Sunak relaunch 346 will end up like the rest of them, making barely any impact at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Neil Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 7 hours ago, steviewevie said: they'd both need to be MPs Farge will be an MP soon after he wins I'm a celebrity. My comment was based in the wrong Idea that Cameron could be leader from the lord's. Cos I was thinking a place in parliament was the qualification. But that was wrong the MP rule came in after having a leader with a place in the lords. Thanks for correcting me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 a day after the Scottish police branded an arm of the Scottish govt as possible murderers, things are getting worse un Scotland with the possibility of Celtic fans becoming criminals. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/nov/13/plan-to-tighten-law-on-glorifying-terrorism-could-criminalise-crowd-at-murrayfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 57 minutes ago, steviewevie said: that needs to get similar numbers to Saturday's march but without fake tommy and pals (who wouldn't support this protest anyway 😛) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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