news & politics:discussion

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, squirrelarmy said:

Wasn’t that the same year as a major recession?

Black Wednesday - that was later in the year.

[steviewevie]

Supreme court ruling soon, if govt win that and labour eat themselves over this ceasefire amendment vote it could be a very good day for rishi.

[Skip997]

9 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

I wonder what he proposes then when Hamas decide to use hospitals as battlegrounds ?   When Hamas decide to use the civilians as human shields.  If he had spent more time condemning Hamas and building a coconscious for their destruction maybe we wouldn't be here today.

The UN is a failed organisation.   I am appalled by his stupidity...

I think you'll find it's the I"D"F that are using hospitals as battlegrounds.

The UN is fantastic, just a shame some countries chose to ignore it.

[steviewevie]

Yay. Supreme court rules against the govt. 

[kalifire]

Unanimously, as well. The government are truly sinking. Weak, weak, weak! 

It would have been a sad day if state sanctioned human trafficking was upheld by the court. 

[steviewevie]

The Braverman fans are going to lose their sh*t.

[steviewevie]

16 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

I think you'll find it's the I"D"F that are using hospitals as battlegrounds.

The UN is fantastic, just a shame some countries chose to ignore it.

The idea of the UN is good, but in many ways they're kind of ineffectual.

[pink_triangle]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

The Braverman fans are going to lose their sh*t.

It’s great news for cruella.

[steviewevie]

https://caselaw.nationalarchives.gov.uk/uksc/2023/42

[steviewevie]

 

[lost]

If thats the case you would think Bravermans "plan B" would be to chose a safe country rather than leave ECHR and move ahead with Rwanda.

[steviewevie]

Cleverly doesn't seem to be a twat...so maybe going forward now they can do the stuff that they should be doing...processing asylum seekers quickly to reduce backlog, return those whose asylum requests fail, and work with other countries in how going to deal with all this because it isn't going away (being in EU would probably make this simpler).

[lost]

Alot of EU countries appear to be investigating similar solutions.. scandinavia, Austria, Italy etc.. You would think when ones finds something workable the others will copy it.

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, lost said:

Alot of EU countries appear to be investigating similar solutions.. scandinavia, Austria, Italy etc.. You would think when ones finds something workable the others will copy it.

they could send them here?

[lazyred]

9 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Cleverly doesn't seem to be a twat...so maybe going forward now they can do the stuff that they should be doing...processing asylum seekers quickly to reduce backlog, return those whose asylum requests fail, and work with other countries in how going to deal with all this because it isn't going away (being in EU would probably make this simpler).

I agree with the above but other EU countries are looking at similar schemes. A French minister proposed recently to ignore ECHR and remove people  but pay the fines rather than leave the convention. 

[Skip997]

4 minutes ago, lost said:

Alot of EU countries appear to be investigating similar solutions.. scandinavia, Austria, Italy etc.. You would think when ones finds something workable the others will copy it.

All twats then.

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, lazyred said:

I agree with the above but other EU countries are looking at similar schemes. A French minister proposed recently to ignore ECHR and remove people  but pay the fines rather than leave the convention. 

yeah...no idea if will work as enough of a deterrent though, and kind of expensive...but so is keeping them in hotels...

[Skip997]

 

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Where does public opinion sit on the Rwanda plan?

When the Rwanda policy was announced in April 2022, a poll immediately afterwards by Savanta found that just under half of the public supported it - compared with 26% who opposed it.

Ten days later, the same polling company found support had slipped a bit, to 41%, while 28% were against it.

New data from this week suggests that support has, if anything, increased.

This YouGov poll from yesterday found 28% strongly supported the plan, with 20% "tending to support" it.

Some 24% strongly opposed while 11% "tended to oppose". The remaining 18% said they did not know.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-67418363

So 48% of the those asked are racist twats.

Edited November 15, 2023 by Skip997

[philipsteak]

19 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

they could send them here?

Haven't they suffered enough?

[steviewevie]

Maybe, as others have argued, this Rwanda thing will keep any Labour rebellion later off the front pages....

[steviewevie]

Sunak says not given up with sending them to Rwanda..somehow he's going to make Rwanda safe...maybe we could colonise them...

[Skip997]

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@PippaCrerar
Tory right-wing MPs now pushing for emergency legislation to be tabled within days to make the Rwanda scheme work - arguing that parliamentary sovereignty trumps any ruling from Supreme Court.

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@breeallegretti
Lee Anderson says ministers should go ahead and “put planes in the air” to Rwanda anyway.

When I asked if he was suggesting ignoring the Supreme Court ruling, the Tory deputy chairman said govt should “ignore the laws and send them straight back”.

We have some proper genuine Nazi's in the government.

Edited November 15, 2023 by Skip997

[steviewevie]

and even if want to go ahead and leave ECHR (which would blow up lots of things like N Ireland protocol thingy), we still would have to leave loads of other international conventions on human rights and torture etc. It's dead. RIP.

[steviewevie]

Edited November 15, 2023 by steviewevie

[Skip997]

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How is it, foreign ministers said to me, that the West slams Russia for killing civilians in Ukraine, yet, in their words, it "gives a green light to Israel to do the same in Gaza"?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67417570