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[Guest]

Yes please do it. 

[cellar]

1 hour ago, Neil said:

a free vote wouldn't have been any better , cos who wants to support the lets keep killing side.

 

stammer f**ked this up, getting to this point was predictable, the right words a while back could have headed this off. (a failure of leadership)

Yeah he has done really bad. I do think a free vote should have been allowed on such an emotive issue, though

[Neil]

14 minutes ago, cellar said:

Yeah he has done really bad. I do think a free vote should have been allowed on such an emotive issue, though

just listening to nick Robinson saying that Blair lost huge support when he backed Israel over bombing Lebanon -  Robinson saying stammer has made a massive mistake.

[Neil]

snp used the words  "wokefinder general" - made me laugh.

[Neil]

i see my mate* diddy is in trouble

(*spent an evening hanging with him at one of the big ibiza clubs, must have been summer 2001, jay kay too.)

always thought he was a dickhead.

[steviewevie]

 

[steviewevie]

There's a suggestion could be more resignations. This thing isn't going away.

[steviewevie]

HS2 savings to be used for a pothole fund. How very Conservative.

[Guest]

27 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

There's a suggestion could be more resignations. This thing isn't going away.

I doubt that will happen, we’ve heard it before. 
 

It’s all rather curious how the usual suspects are up in arms over Labour whipping to abstain on the SNP motion (whilst having their own that went much deeper) yet say absolutely nothing about the Tories actually voting against both motions.

Edited November 17, 2023 by Ozanne

[Guest]

 

[Guest]

 

[steviewevie]

41 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

I doubt that will happen, we’ve heard it before. 
 

It’s all rather curious how the usual suspects are up in arms over Labour whipping to abstain on the SNP motion (whilst having their own that went much deeper) yet say absolutely nothing about the Tories actually voting against both motions.

we heard before there were going to be resignations, and there were. 

With that vote the Tories were playing politics, as were SNP - they know this is a problem for Starmer. sh*tty world of politics that does nothing to actually help anyone in the middle east.

[steviewevie]

I think one resignation could be Rushanara Ali who I posted about yesterday. She is calling for a ceasefire but didn't vote for the SNP amendment and she is getting a whole lot of sh*t online and from her constituents. 

Edited November 17, 2023 by steviewevie

[lost]

Life expectancy is lower in Glasgow than Gaza. Maybe the SNP should concentrate on that.

[mattiloy]

8 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

we heard before there were going to be resignations, and there were. 

With that vote the Tories were playing politics, as were SNP - they know this is a problem for Starmer. sh*tty world of politics that does nothing to actually help anyone in the middle east.

Thats one way to view it. The other way to view it is that the SNP just want a ceasefire in gaza and that Starmer made a miscalculation in both his assessment of where popular opinion lies within the labour base and in his ability to whip his MPs to go against that.

We have come to expect a cold rationality to Starmer’s positions but the bandwidth that politicians have to effect change is ultimately afforded to them by public confidence. If you aren’t also sensitive to the emotional aspect of public opinion then you will end up alienating your voters.

[steviewevie]

SNP are on the right side of history whatever the f**k that means.

[squirrelarmy]

5 minutes ago, lost said:

Life expectancy is lower in Glasgow than Gaza. Maybe the SNP should concentrate on that.

The breakfast cooked by my Scottish ex mother in law has put more than one person in hospital. 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Ozanne said:

I doubt that will happen, we’ve heard it before. 
 

It’s all rather curious how the usual suspects are up in arms over Labour whipping to abstain on the SNP motion (whilst having their own that went much deeper) yet say absolutely nothing about the Tories actually voting against both motions.

Maybe because they expect better from Labour?

[steviewevie]

It should be said that all Labour MPs did vote for the Labour amendment too.

[steviewevie]

 

[steviewevie]

 

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Western powers increasingly uneasy over Israeli actions

James Landale

Diplomatic correspondent
 

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Almost day by day, the tone of Israel’s allies is hardening.

Overnight, the US Secretary of State Antony Blinken called Benny Gantz, a key member of Israel’s war cabinet. He said there was “an urgent need for affirmative steps to de-escalate tensions in the West Bank, including by confronting rising levels of settler extremist violence”.

About 200 Palestinians have been killed in the occupied territory since the 7 October attack on Israel. Arab diplomats are concerned there could be an explosion of violence in the West Bank that could escalate the conflict.

Blinken called Egypt’s foreign minister and stressed “the importance of concrete steps to minimise harm to Palestinian civilians in all of Gaza”. He also called his Jordanian counterpart and voiced his “deep concern” at a strike on a Jordanian medical facility in Gaza.

All this after the US for the first time chose not to veto a UN resolution that failed to condemn Hamas.

The UN Security Council passed a resolution on Wednesday that didn't include condemnation of Hamas

And it's not just the Americans. Earlier this week, the British PM gave a speech warning that too many Palestinians were losing their lives. And yesterday, the French president repeated his call for a humanitarian ceasefire, saying Israel’s right to defend itself did not justify bombing civilians.

Israel’s foreign minister, Eli Cohen, has suggested his country has “two or three weeks” before international pressure for a ceasefire could become overwhelming.

 

Finally the tide is starting to turn.

[Neil]

2 hours ago, lost said:

Life expectancy is lower in Glasgow than Gaza. Maybe the SNP should concentrate on that.

they say its westminsyer's fault and indy will improve it.

[steviewevie]

 

[Punksnotdead]

6 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

Potholes are kind of a big deal for Rishi - if he fell in one, he'd never be able to get out - the tiny little man!

Edited November 17, 2023 by Punksnotdead