news & politics:discussion

[fred quimby]

1 hour ago, Barry Fish said:

Postal Affairs are a government responsibility so while it is generous of him I do believe governments of many different colours have failed the victims  

Totally agree how much they were failed

[Neil]

1 hour ago, Barry Fish said:

Postal Affairs are a government responsibility so while it is generous of him I do believe governments of many different colours have failed the victims  

Earlier govts couldn't really do anything until the full issue was exposed which has only happened more recently.

[Neil]

Tories are talking about cracking down on some long term benefits. From the sound of things they want to disallow mental health issues as claimable. As the majority of pip recipients are for mental health disabilities.theres a big future cost from that if things aren't changed. And there will be a big growth in physical disabilities with an aging population.

[steviewevie]

[Neil]

6 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Sadly Neil the country hasn't got a lot of money.  Time for a lot of people to put their big boy pants on and get out to work again.  Lets not pretend there isn't a lot of people taking the piss.  I know people who go to work every day genuinely having mental health issues while others get to sit at home.  

Whether they're taking the piss or not pip can pay out at a much higher level than many would think. so it's a good way to take the piss for anyone inclined to take the piss. With old age disabilities increasing a lot cos of the ageing population. The bill for pip will increase substantially.

[Neil]

12 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

The issue was being raised from very early during the crisis.  Some MPs started creating some noise and others didn't.  Once it was fully exposed the record of government hasn't been particularly glowing.  Giving that useless cow a CBE in 2019 was f**king disgusting and the cherry on the cake.

Until the errors in horizon were admitted there was nothing to see except fraud.

[Neil]

30 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Unless a decent government turn off the tap.

Difficult to do with better attitudes towards mental health.if they start denying it to disabled oldies I reckon it'll cost more in extra carers hours than would be saved from pip. Pip is absolutely essential for people like me to cover taxi costs and allow a normal-ish life.

[Neil]

2 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

People who are genuine are welcome to it.  Its the pretenders and lightweights who need to be shown the door - to the job centre. 

How can you identify the fakers? Mostly I think  its self diagnosis "I couldn't cope with doing that" - that sort of thing I think.

not really fair compared to the effort the physically disabled have to exert to get through the day.

I feel lucky that my abilities aren't too degraded there's plenty worse off than me ( even so, I feel completely deserving of the benefits I get).

[Neil]

16 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

You probably answered your own question - don't let people self diagnose ?   Have higher benchmarks.

that would involve discounting all mental health issues.

[Guest]

7 hours ago, Neil said:

Whether they're taking the piss or not pip can pay out at a much higher level than many would think. so it's a good way to take the piss for anyone inclined to take the piss. With old age disabilities increasing a lot cos of the ageing population. The bill for pip will increase substantially.

Ignore him, the country does have money we are one of the richest in the world. It’s a political choice to not support those that are less fortunate than others. 

[Ryan1984]

7 hours ago, Barry Fish said:

Too busy defending pedos and hating on the gays apparently.  Not my claim 😛 

Farage is going to be the Tories’ not-so-secret weapon, isn’t he? Throwing in all sorts of nonsense and smears from the sidelines to try and smear Starmer. Will he drop to Savile claims?

[steviewevie]

basically no one gave a shite until this itv drama, now everyone gives a massive shite.

The power of itv dramas. 

[steviewevie]

23 minutes ago, Ryan1984 said:

Farage is going to be the Tories’ not-so-secret weapon, isn’t he? Throwing in all sorts of nonsense and smears from the sidelines to try and smear Starmer. Will he drop to Savile claims?

maybe...but I reckon the tories might want him to go away because him and his reform buddies are stealing their votes.

[Neil]

2 hours ago, Ryan1984 said:

Farage is going to be the Tories’ not-so-secret weapon, isn’t he? Throwing in all sorts of nonsense and smears from the sidelines to try and smear Starmer. Will he drop to Savile claims?

Saville seems to be the preferred attack by the kippers just shows how little there is to attack starmer with 

[cellar]

9 hours ago, Barry Fish said:

Sadly Neil the country hasn't got a lot of money.  Time for a lot of people to put their big boy pants on and get out to work again.  Lets not pretend there isn't a lot of people taking the piss.  I know people who go to work every day genuinely having mental health issues while others get to sit at home.  

Would you rather not pay out to those committing fraud, and simultaneously punish real recipients? Benefit fraud for the last two financial years has been estimated 4% or less - which does work out at around £8.5bn, so not pocket change, for sure - but in the grand scheme of things it's not a huge proportion of all claims.

[Neil]

18 minutes ago, cellar said:

Would you rather not pay out to those committing fraud, and simultaneously punish real recipients? Benefit fraud for the last two financial years has been estimated 4% or less - which does work out at around £8.5bn, so not pocket change, for sure - but in the grand scheme of things it's not a huge proportion of all claims.

Only true if including pensions as a benefit.

Benefits are not meant to pay out on can't be bothered.so surely they class as fraud.

[Skip997]

10 hours ago, Barry Fish said:

Sadly Neil the country hasn't got a lot of money.  Time for a lot of people to put their big boy pants on and get out to work again.  Lets not pretend there isn't a lot of people taking the piss.  I know people who go to work every day genuinely having mental health issues while others get to sit at home.  

Unbelievable post

Those who in your opinion are "taking the piss" are a mere drop in the ocean when compared with multi nationals and millionaires avoiding tax.

Have some compassion FFS

[Skip997]

8 hours ago, Neil said:

that would involve discounting all mental health issues.

He doesn't give a damn about mental health issues

[Skip997]

The tabloids have done a great job focusing people on the few who claim benefits.

Meanwhile corporations/multinationals and millionaires are actually "taking the piss"

[lost]

As the increase in mental health claiments appears to be people in their 20's and 30's, I do actually think there is merit in trying to help these people into work. A lifetime on benefits isn't rosey and is linked to a host of social problems along with shorter life expectancy.

[lazyred]

Operation Smear Keir in full swing

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/25290381/sir-keir-starmer-free-lawyer-save-baby-murderers/

Edited January 9 by lazyred

[Rufus Gwertigan]

13 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Exactly, does nothing useful to leave people sat at home on benefits.

I'm not sat at home on benefits. Sometimes I lay down.

[Skip997]

Why do some people get upset/annoyed if a few people aren't able/don't want to work?

What's so great about a lifetime suffering boring/soul destroying slavery?

Bring in Universal credit

There's more than enough people who subscribe to the "protestant work ethic" or are workaholics happy to work themselves into an early grave.

[Neil]

1 hour ago, Skip997 said:

The tabloids have done a great job focusing people on the few who claim benefits.

Meanwhile corporations/multinationals and millionaires are actually "taking the piss"

Or people getting free festival entry on workers tickets who don't work.

[Skip997]

1 minute ago, Neil said:

Or people getting free festival entry on workers tickets who don't work.

Elaborate please