news & politics:discussion

[steviewevie]

7 minutes ago, Neil said:

a better politician than him could have played it for a better outcome, such as May's deal, easily available to him, he never thought it thru, "what happens next?".

well...I guess labour's calculation was that this stalemate could bring down the govt, so don't help the govt. Not sure would have been different under any other leader. In hindsight, yes maybe would have been better to vote for May's deal (although I expect we'd still be arguing about NI borders and backstops and trade deals blah blah). For many in tory party any compromise on brexit was traitorship.

[steviewevie]

12 minutes ago, lost said:

Understatement of the year. He's been campaigning against the EU longer than Farage has been in politics. It was the parties position to be pro-EU but as I said Alan Johnson has suggested underhand methods were used by Milne Corbyns office. I really can't understand why pro-EU people on the left keep defending him?

Because I don't think he's the main reason for brexit. He campaigned to remain, despite his past, because the majority of labour party is remain. From what I've heard Corbyn's office was split on brexit (as well as other stuff)...and it was not just labour infighting but infighting in those around Corbyn that helped do for labour in 2019.

[Neil]

11 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

well...I guess labour's calculation was that this stalemate could bring down the govt, so don't help the govt. Not sure would have been different under any other leader. In hindsight, yes maybe would have been better to vote for May's deal (although I expect we'd still be arguing about NI borders and backstops and trade deals blah blah). For many in tory party any compromise on brexit was traitorship.

he was too focused on bringing down the govt, started the campaign with the idea that it would destroy the tories, and let that idea infect all other thoughts.

[steviewevie]

All you saw on tv for the leave campaign were Johnson, Gove, Hannan, Stuart, Farage, Rees-Mogg etc...you hardly ever saw anyone from the left. And for remain it was more the establisment which in hindisght probably didn't help...Cameron, Osborne, Corbyn, Clegg, Lucas, TUC, CBI etc etc.

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, Neil said:

he was too focused on bringing down the govt, started the campaign with the idea that it would destroy the tories, and let that idea infect all other thoughts.

well yeah, maybe, probably. I think looking like stopping the will of the people not a good look, especially for most who don't care about the details....the problem with brexit was that the details were important...especially to the people of N Ireland.

[lost]

8 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

All you saw on tv for the leave campaign were Johnson, Gove, Hannan, Stuart, Farage, Rees-Mogg etc...you hardly ever saw anyone from the left. And for remain it was more the establisment which in hindisght probably didn't help...Cameron, Osborne, Corbyn, Clegg, Lucas, TUC, CBI etc etc.

Yes lexit was definitely more grassroots. As i said momentum telling people the NHS would be privatised if we stayed in the EU. You could argue that's how they worked, taking control of the party machinery that way by directing block voting. I believe their facebook campaign in 2017 they saw as a massive success whilst the Tories had caught on social media by 2019.

Edited February 17, 2022 by lost

[Neil]

1 minute ago, lost said:

Yes lexit was definitely more grassroots. As i said momentum telling people the NHS would be privatised if we stayed in the EU. You could argue that's how they worked, taking control of the party machinery that way and then I believe their facebook campaign in 2017 they saw as a massive success whilst the Tories had caught on social media by 2019.

theres only so much you can do with a mouse-click.

[Guest]

4 hours ago, steviewevie said:

Labour and Lib Dems in informal ‘non-aggression’ pact ahead of next UK election

https://www.ft.com/content/7d10aef7-1ed5-4e0d-a128-858cd0b2e2f0?segmentid=acee4131-99c2-09d3-a635-873e61754ec6

This is massive, could be a game changer at the next election. 

[Guest]

People are starting to see in Keir Starmer what I’ve seen all along. I love him. 

[steviewevie]

 

[fred quimby]

46 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

I love him. 

I assume that was tongue in cheek.

His face needs more movement in it, his mouth moves and eyes kind of do but that is it. Seems to have the same expression if he he happy or angry,  from what I've seen

Now that is just the way he is obviously.

 

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, fred quimby said:

I assume that was tongue in cheek.

His face needs more movement in it, his mouth moves and eyes kind of do but that is it. Seems to have the same expression if he he happy or angry,  from what I've seen

Now that is just the way he is obviously.

 

No, he really does love him.

[fred quimby]

6 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

No, he really does love him.

That must be nice

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, fred quimby said:

That must be nice

it's a beautiful thing, but it upsets some people on here.

[fraybentos1]

19 minutes ago, fred quimby said:

I assume that was tongue in cheek.

 

You’d think so but no it’s not tongue in cheek unbelievably.

[fred quimby]

11 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

it's a beautiful thing, 

Well depends what kind of love it is really, could be quite ugly. 

If he is sat outside kerrs House masterbating while the kids are wondering why Daddy has not come home that's not great. But I assume it isn't

11 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 but it upsets some people on here.

That's their hangup I guess.

 

Love can be blind though

Edited February 17, 2022 by fred quimby

[steviewevie]

 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, fred quimby said:

I assume that was tongue in cheek.

His face needs more movement in it, his mouth moves and eyes kind of do but that is it. Seems to have the same expression if he he happy or angry,  from what I've seen

Now that is just the way he is obviously.

 

No no it wasn’t tongue in cheek, it’s just an expression and I’m not in love but the statement is earnest.

I find him inspiring and I genuinely believe he’s a good man that wants to bring about positive change for the country. I possibly get attached to people far too easily 😂

[Kurosagi]

18 hours ago, mattiloy said:

In the headliners thread lots of people recall friday 2016, waking up and ’hearing the news’ about Brexit and it putting a shiter on their day..

I remember there being a fair bit of weeping and wailing in nearby tents as people started waking up and checking their phones. Well, W&W might be pushing it, but plenty of loud voices from multiple directions discussing it in a *very* pissed off manner.

I usually pop to the Cabaret tent on a sunday morning to see Brigstocke and others doing their piss take of the sunday papers...it was unusually rammed, with only Brexit on the agenda. It felt like a self-help gathering. At one point they asked for a hands up for who voted for brexit and there just a single person...so whoever it was earlier that speculated the leave/remain split at glasto being 99-1 possibly wasn't far off (well, in terms of the Cabaret tent crowd anyway)!

10 hours ago, steviewevie said:

I also thought the idea of european countries in one co-operative organisation after centuries of war not a bad idea.

Good god, this x1000. I'm not a centrist by nature, but if the benefit of staying in the EU is no war for me or my kids then sign me up. Compromise and finding ways to get along vs sabre rattling and a body count is a no brainer in my book.

[Neil]

how unlucky do you have to be to be the first victim if a shark attack for 60 years?

[steviewevie]

 

[Punksnotdead]

49 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

Politics thread?

Great fucking tune though!

[Guest]

 

[steviewevie]

 

[steviewevie]

Not dodgy at all.