steviewevie Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 Sunak not at 120 yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, steviewevie said: So...where does Badenoch's support go...? What does that Gove bloke do? Mostly to Truss I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattiloy Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 13 minutes ago, steviewevie said: Yes all the right wing journos are out in force both sidesing. The only evidence in the report of the left of the party ’using antisemitism as a weapon’ is in defending themselves from attacks by saying it was exaggerated and used by the right as a means of undermining them. Which the rest of the report shows to be a fair evaluation. The Labour party machine knew exactly what they were doing from day 1 of Corbyn’s tenure. In fact the report shows that the thing that initially clogged up the complaints procedure was the introduction of membership validation which basically searched on social media for new members posts but decided only to search on posts attacking members of the Labour right. As a result many left members were suspended even before Corbyn was elected. So really they went out to rig it against him since before day 1. Then they immediately went about deliberately failing in both complaints handling and in the general election, undermining the leadership at every turn. Its so cynical, so antidemocratic. If you are bothered about decency in politics, as many who bleet on about boris and Brexit purport to be, you should be sickened by this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, mattiloy said: Yes all the right wing journos are out in force both sidesing. The only evidence in the report of the left of the party ’using antisemitism as a weapon’ is in defending themselves from attacks by saying it was exaggerated and used by the right as a means of undermining them. Which the rest of the report shows to be a fair evaluation. The Labour party machine knew exactly what they were doing from day 1 of Corbyn’s tenure. In fact the report shows that the thing that initially clogged up the complaints procedure was the introduction of membership validation which basically searched on social media for new members posts but decided only to search on posts attacking members of the Labour right. As a result many left members were suspended even before Corbyn was elected. So really they went out to rig it against him since before day 1. Then they immediately went about deliberately failing in both complaints handling and in the general election, undermining the leadership at every turn. Its so cynical, so antidemocratic. If you are bothered about decency in politics, as many who bleet on about boris and Brexit purport to be, you should be sickened by this. yeah, labour was chaos under corbyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 27 minutes ago, Punksnotdead said: Truss v Sunak looks a certainty now. various journos on twatter reckon that Sunak lent Truss votes as he'd rather face her than Mordaunt... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 8 minutes ago, steviewevie said: various journos on twatter reckon that Sunak lent Truss votes as he'd rather face her than Mordaunt... Yeah I can see this happening. Truss as PM would be mad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punksnotdead Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, Ozanne said: Yeah I can see this happening. Truss as PM would be mad. It would - but most of the Tory membership are mad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 2 hours ago, Barry Fish said: Its officially the hottest day ever in the UK Got over 40deagrees in my garden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 Just now, Punksnotdead said: It would - but most of the Tory membership are mad! As a Labour supporter I would welcome Truss as PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattiloy Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, steviewevie said: yeah, labour was chaos under corbyn. Yeah, Imagine though. Staff and MPs for the supposed left wing party in the uk, are so shit scared of having somebody in power who implements an actual left wing policy program that they actively worked against him and for the tories, condemning you all to the utter shit state you now find yourself in. Congrats. 👏 👏 👏 Edited July 19, 2022 by mattiloy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punksnotdead Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 Just now, Ozanne said: As a Labour supporter I would welcome Truss as PM. We'd still have to suffer 2 years of her as PM - an horrific thought! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, Ozanne said: As a Labour supporter I would welcome Truss as PM. and if labour doesn't win? and even if labour does win...if she has already shrunk the state, if she has already watered down and/or delayed net zero, would labour reverse it? I really don't think this country needs a PM like Truss, maybe it will help labour...but I just am not that confident that tories will lose the next election. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 13 minutes ago, mattiloy said: Yeah, Imagine though. Staff and MPs for the supposed left wing party in the uk, are so shit scared of having somebody in power who implements an actual left wing policy program that they actively worked against him and for the tories, condemning you all to the utter shit state you now find yourself in. Congrats. 👏 👏 👏 yes it's a shame. And a shame that antisemitism was not treated as seriously as it should have been and just weaponised by both sides. Fortunately that factionalism doesn't seem to be as much of a problem under Sir Keir's leadership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 38 minutes ago, Punksnotdead said: We'd still have to suffer 2 years of her as PM - an horrific thought! It’s not a great thought but if it means there’s a better chance of a Labour government then bring it on. I don’t think they’ll wait the 2 years though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Neil Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 38 minutes ago, Barry Fish said: I got 40c on the car that;ll be the engine, and lack of airflow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Punksnotdead said: We'd still have to suffer 2 years of her as PM - an horrific thought! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattiloy Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 45 minutes ago, steviewevie said: yes it's a shame. And a shame that antisemitism was not treated as seriously as it should have been and just weaponised by both sides. Fortunately that factionalism doesn't seem to be as much of a problem under Sir Keir's leadership. One side had it in their gift to amend the internal process and deal with the antisemitism complaints, as well as cease to lodge thousands of bogus complaints to slow down the extant process and hinder it handling legitimate complaints. The other side rejected responsibility for the logjam in the complaints process (true) and highlighted that the vast majority of complaints were bogus (true). Its not a both sides thing and anybody objective can see that. Yes, factionalism is dead under Keir Starmer. In the same way that it was dead under Stalin. If you eradicate the other faction, there can no longer be any factionalism. The only drawback is all that remains is disgusting, corrupt, racist right wingers. And thats what the Labour party is today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 5 minutes ago, mattiloy said: One side had it in their gift to amend the internal process and deal with the antisemitism complaints, as well as cease to lodge thousands of bogus complaints to slow down the extant process and hinder it handling legitimate complaints. The other side rejected responsibility for the logjam in the complaints process (true) and highlighted that the vast majority of complaints were bogus (true). Its not a both sides thing and anybody objective can see that. Yes, factionalism is dead under Keir Starmer. In the same way that it was dead under Stalin. If you eradicate the other faction, there can no longer be any factionalism. The only drawback is all that remains is disgusting, corrupt, racist right wingers. And thats what the Labour party is today. he started it, no he started it...etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 Someone’s taken the Forde report well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 Why can't our infrastructure cope with the heat? who builds infastructure to cope with what never happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 Biden visiting Israel and Saudi Arabia...Putin visiting Iran....all getting set up very nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 14 minutes ago, Barry Fish said: Nah - that isn't how car thermostats work.. I didn't start the engine. Lack of airflow is relevant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, Neil said: Why can't our infrastructure cope with the heat? who builds infastructure to cope with what never happens. yeah...this is kind of like risk management...how much you spend on certain things...and temperatures like this were once very low probability, but now the risk is much higher. I don't know how you prevent these wildfires...I guess have more fire services to be able to deal with them...maybe have these heaths/woodlands away from buildings...I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattiloy Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 21 minutes ago, steviewevie said: he started it, no he started it...etc Yeah fair enough. With all the factions involved in the Ukraine war I guess it must be confusing for centrists too. Who can possibly say who the real bad guy is with all these factions involved? Its just so factional isn’t it? Cant wait for Putin to nuke them all so it isn’t so factional anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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