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[mattiloy]

38 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

seems to be working at the moment.

Yes it is the only logical explanation. Fewer members and less money is a good thing

[Guest]

Any reason to dunk on the current Labour it seems. 

[mattiloy]

13 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Any reason to dunk on the current Labour it seems. 

They are making it easy to be fair

[Neil]

Just now, mattiloy said:

They are making it easy to be fair

all it took was marginalising the bad actors.

[pink_triangle]

23 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

Yes it is the only logical explanation. Fewer members and less money is a good thing

Surely the reality is a bit more complex. Its clearly desirable to have more money and members. However the measuring stick of labour success is not total members, but electoral success. If a record breaking labour membership can't produce leaders and policies that can attract the wider electorate, the membership size makes little difference.

[steviewevie]

46 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

Yes it is the only logical explanation. Fewer members and less money is a good thing

Seems to be.

Money can't buy you love.

 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

Seems to be.

Money can't buy you love.

 

I’ve no idea why he cares so much about Labour. He claims to be done here yet comes back every few days to moan about something. 

[Rufus Gwertigan]

4 hours ago, steviewevie said:

Seems to be.

Money can't buy you love.

 

The amount of income they lose is negligible on the big picture. I pay less than £3 a month for my membership. I think the Tories only charge £25 a year. With the pound a month I pay to CND I maybe need to rethink my party allegiance. Off topic but I am cancelling my CND membership as I don't disagree with nuclear power. I only joined so I could get a job at Glastonbury anyway working info.

[philipsteak]

It's so much worse than we thought

 

[steviewevie]

 

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

Lol of course. Clear ahead in the polls, new policies being announced and a Tory party eating themselves alive but yes Labour isn’t winning. These people must always find fault. 

[steviewevie]

15 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Lol of course. Clear ahead in the polls, new policies being announced and a Tory party eating themselves alive but yes Labour isn’t winning. These people must always find fault. 

[steviewevie]

[Guest]

Just because something happened in the past doesn’t mean it’s going to happen again. They can bore off, try and enjoy the current moment it might lead to something or it might not but constantly saying Labour aren’t doing good enough is hardly going to get people to vote for them.

[steviewevie]

54 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Just because something happened in the past doesn’t mean it’s going to happen again. They can bore off, try and enjoy the current moment it might lead to something or it might not but constantly saying Labour aren’t doing good enough is hardly going to get people to vote for them.

just think people shouldn't be complacent and think with Truss in charge it's going to be a walk over.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

just think people shouldn't be complacent and think with Truss in charge it's going to be a walk over.

You are right there, Labour shouldn’t be complacent and I assume they won’t be given the scale of the task. 

[steviewevie]

 

[Neil]

17 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

You are right there, Labour shouldn’t be complacent and I assume they won’t be given the scale of the task. 

too many people in labour think the tories will lose cos they're shit, not how it happened with 'worst pm ever', May.

[mattiloy]

Progress requires honesty. All I see in this thread, in the Labour party, and in the UK more widely, is self deception.

@Ozanne, I know you don’t like it when people come along and sprinkle a bit of reality in this thread, but unless ordinary people begin to be honest about the state of things, the hope for real progress is dead in the water.

I often feel quite hopeless when I read this thread, or twitter, because of the stubbornness with which people cling to the comfort blanket of self deception.

But occasionally some evidence of a new grave breach of trust from the Labour party compels me to present it to you. Only to be met with disconcern which is so discouraging.

Although that self deception exists everywhere, I believe that its worse in the uk (and america) and its the system in the uk that does this. When you force individuals to compromise on their morality every election, eventually they become too at ease with the lies they tell to comfort themselves.

Thats why the best outcome for the UK is not a Labour majority govt.

Edited July 22, 2022 by mattiloy

[steviewevie]

28 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

Progress requires honesty. All I see in this thread, in the Labour party, and in the UK more widely, is self deception.

@Ozanne, I know you don’t like it when people come along and sprinkle a bit of reality in this thread, but unless ordinary people begin to be honest about the state of things, the hope for real progress is dead in the water.

I often feel quite hopeless when I read this thread, or twitter, because of the stubbornness with which people cling to the comfort blanket of self deception.

But occasionally some evidence of a new grave breach of trust from the Labour party compels me to present it to you. Only to be met with disconcern which is so discouraging.

Although that self deception exists everywhere, I believe that its worse in the uk (and america) and its the system in the uk that does this. When you force individuals to compromise on their morality every election, eventually they become too at ease with the lies they tell to comfort themselves.

Thats why the best outcome for the UK is not a Labour majority govt.

so you just come on here to persuade people not to vote labour?

[Neil]

26 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

people cling to the comfort blanket of self deception.

some people imagine that the socially conservative  (as proven in election after election ) British public are desperate for a very left wing govt.

the only way we get something better than we're getting is by trying to work with the realities' rather than mug ourselves about it 

[Guest]

27 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

Progress requires honesty. All I see in this thread, in the Labour party, and in the UK more widely, is self deception.

@Ozanne, I know you don’t like it when people come along and sprinkle a bit of reality in this thread, but unless ordinary people begin to be honest about the state of things, the hope for real progress is dead in the water.

I often feel quite hopeless when I read this thread, or twitter, because of the stubbornness with which people cling to the comfort blanket of self deception.

But occasionally some evidence of a new grave breach of trust from the Labour party compels me to present it to you. Only to be met with disconcern which is so discouraging.

Although that self deception exists everywhere, I believe that its worse in the uk (and america) and its the system in the uk that does this. When you force individuals to compromise on their morality every election, eventually they become too at ease with the lies they tell to comfort themselves.

Thats why the best outcome for the UK is not a Labour majority govt.

Weren’t you done with this thread?

FYI, I didn’t read the majority of this post. Go enjoy Sweden and stop worrying about the UK Labour Party. 

[Neil]

36 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

Progress requires honesty. All I see in this thread, in the Labour party, and in the UK more widely, is self deception.

@Ozanne, I know you don’t like it when people come along and sprinkle a bit of reality in this thread, but unless ordinary people begin to be honest about the state of things, the hope for real progress is dead in the water.

I often feel quite hopeless when I read this thread, or twitter, because of the stubbornness with which people cling to the comfort blanket of self deception.

But occasionally some evidence of a new grave breach of trust from the Labour party compels me to present it to you. Only to be met with disconcern which is so discouraging.

Although that self deception exists everywhere, I believe that its worse in the uk (and america) and its the system in the uk that does this. When you force individuals to compromise on their morality every election, eventually they become too at ease with the lies they tell to comfort themselves.

Thats why the best outcome for the UK is not a Labour majority govt.

labour party membership is too daft to know what to do with power, still waiting to see a worthwhile proposal for electoral reform!

[steviewevie]

 

[mattiloy]

3 hours ago, Ozanne said:

FYI, I didn’t read the majority of this post.

Sure you didn’t 😉