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[LJS]

7 minutes ago, blutarsky said:

Forgive me for this, but.
 

What 

A

Useless

Gormless

Posing

Fucking 

c**t. 

Wtf did Stanley and Mrs Johnson, and Eton do to him to produce such an egocentric, attention craving seduce fucker? 

Apparently he's popular...

 

....

 

In England

[blutarsky]

37 minutes ago, gizmoman said:

Exactly, I'm not a socialist by any measure, but I'm a working class guy and although never part of a union on the one occasion in my life when I could have crossed a picket line I didn't, not because I had any fear of consequences, but because I didn't think it was right, labour have lost the plot, they no longer represent the workers of this country.

Quite a socialist attitude you’ve got… why do people seem to see socialism as a dirty word? For me socialism is essentially an acceptance that capitalism makes the world go round, with a belief there should be some checks and balances and a helping hand for those most in need. I honestly think you have to be a bit of a selfish arsehole to disagree with socialism’s basic principles. 

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, blutarsky said:

Quite a socialist attitude you’ve got… why do people seem to see socialism as a dirty word? For me socialism is essentially an acceptance that capitalism makes the world go round, with a belief there should be some checks and balances and a helping hand for those most in need. I honestly think you have to be a bit of a selfish arsehole to disagree with socialism’s basic principles. 

fucking socialist

[mattiloy]

9 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

He didn’t though, so that point isn’t relevant. He went against collective responsibility so was sacked. It doesn’t matter where it was said, he can’t make up policy on the hoof. 

I’ve watched a lot of Labour news and he has regularly criticised the Tories, did you watch his speech on Monday? He focussed on the Tories plenty there as well as giving more insight into Labour policy. I suspect you don’t really care for the facts though as you’d find something else to criticise him for.

If he is so shit and as you don’t live here; why do you care? Honestly you’d be better off ignoring it all considering it doesn’t impact you. 

What policy did he make up? All i saw him say was that every labour MP will be feeling solidarity towards the workers.

When is he going to grow a pair of bollocks? He should have been on rolling news, non stop Starmer slagging off the tories. Instead if you really wanted to browse labour media you could find some cut up bits of a speech made in a small room somewhere in Liverpool to a handful of sympathetic journos and party staffers. It just isn't going to cut it.

At this rate the Labour party will lose the next election. They'll deserve it. But the rest of the country won't

[steviewevie]

5 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

What policy did he make up? All i saw him say was that every labour MP will be feeling solidarity towards the workers.

When is he going to grow a pair of bollocks? He should have been on rolling news, non stop Starmer slagging off the tories. Instead if you really wanted to browse labour media you could find some cut up bits of a speech made in a small room somewhere in Liverpool to a handful of sympathetic journos and party staffers. It just isn't going to cut it.

At this rate the Labour party will lose the next election. They'll deserve it. But the rest of the country won't

I'm sure he'd love to be on rolling news...he could be talking about growth or something...but the news goes where there's a story...and the story is tory leadership, economy, ukraine, lionesses and today the strikes. I'm surprised he got so much air time with his growth growth growth speech the other day.

And I think they will lose the next election anyway. With Scotand gone it's almost impossible as it is, Tory government will throw in some tax cuts leading to the next election and Starmer will be fighting with the unions and the left...job done.

[Guest]

18 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

What policy did he make up? All i saw him say was that every labour MP will be feeling solidarity towards the workers.

When is he going to grow a pair of bollocks? He should have been on rolling news, non stop Starmer slagging off the tories. Instead if you really wanted to browse labour media you could find some cut up bits of a speech made in a small room somewhere in Liverpool to a handful of sympathetic journos and party staffers. It just isn't going to cut it.

At this rate the Labour party will lose the next election. They'll deserve it. But the rest of the country won't

Surely he has ‘grown some bollocks’ by firing one of front bench MPs? I suspect you don’t actually want him to grow some bollocks though, you want him to do what you want.

Again, he has been in the news slagging the Tories off, every day. I haven’t seen him slagging any unions off or this MP. But again I suspect you haven’t actually looked into whether what you are saying is accurate. You are making up issues because you are afraid to say that nothing he does will win you round.

I’ll ask him, why do you care so much when you obviously won’t be win round by the guy and you don’t even live here? Just ignore UK Labour, they have no impact on you.

[Guest]

The front bencher that was sacked saying this wouldn’t happen under a Labour government, he’s tearing into the Tories and says he’ll relentlessly fight for a Labour government. Seems like unity to me. 

[gizmoman]

10 minutes ago, blutarsky said:

Quite a socialist attitude you’ve got… why do people seem to see socialism as a dirty word? For me socialism is essentially an acceptance that capitalism makes the world go round, with a belief there should be some checks and balances and a helping hand for those most in need. I honestly think you have to be a bit of a selfish arsehole to disagree with socialism’s basic principles. 

I never said it's a dirty word, just that I don't see myself as a socialist, not everyone would define socialism the way you so, as it happens I would be happy to be a socialist if it meant going along with your definition, maybe I should have said I'm not a lefty, but then you get into an argument about what that means, the point I was trying to make it that it doesn't matter what your personal goals are, you sometimes have to make a judgement on a situation based on your core beliefs or background, the Labour party have lost their way, they have forgotten where they came from and now don't know what to do when working class people are in dispute. They should back them, even if they are wrong in that particular instance, by not doing so they alienate the people they claim to represent.  

[Neil]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

centrist dad party?

6th form students party?

[mattiloy]

3 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Surely he has ‘grown some bollocks’ by firing one of front bench MPs? I suspect you don’t actually want him to grow some bollocks though, you want him to do what you want.

Again, he has been in the news slagging the Tories off, every day. I haven’t seen him slagging any unions off or this MP. But again I suspect you haven’t actually looked into whether what you are saying is accurate. You are making up issues because you are afraid to say that nothing he does will win you round.

I’ll ask him, why do you care so much when you obviously won’t be win round by the guy and you don’t even live here? Just ignore UK Labour, they have no impact on you.

Old Mick Lynch gets Starmer spot on
 

 

[steviewevie]

Just now, Neil said:

6th form students party?

People's Front of Judea?

[Neil]

how would mick lynch get on without pandering to his own electorate...?

[Neil]

Just now, steviewevie said:

People's Front of Judea?

Judean people's front.

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

Old Mick Lynch gets Starmer spot on
 

 

They love The Daily Mail in the red wall.

[Neil]

4 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

They love The Daily Mail in the red wall.

they ,.love referencing the daily mail in the corbyn quarters.

[pink_triangle]

Tarry could have resigned his ministerial post and joined the picket. Instead he did something that he knew would get himself sacked. What his motives are only he knows.

[Guest]

39 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

Old Mick Lynch gets Starmer spot on
 

 

I notice that when confronted with facts about your claim you go onto something different. You haven’t responded to any of my points yet again.

Again, why do you care so much when you don’t live here?

[steviewevie]

 

 

[LJS]

44 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

Tarry could have resigned his ministerial post and joined the picket. Instead he did something that he knew would get himself sacked. What his motives are only he knows.

I thought he wasn't sacked for joining the picket line?

[mattiloy]

22 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

I notice that when confronted with facts about your claim you go onto something different. You haven’t responded to any of my points yet again.

Again, why do you care so much when you don’t live here?

 

Mick Lynch responds to your point, lets not call it a fact because its not. Starmer hasn’t been in the news everyday, as Mick Lynch rightly says, he isn’t able to get the coverage, as per Liverpool, nobody is paying attention, because he just comes out with a load of nothing whenever he does. He’s got nothing interesting to say. So its either his team won’t let him, or the media won’t have him. Either way its pathetic.

How is it growing a pair of bollocks to lash out at the people you employ for showing you up to be the coward that you are. Just seems vindictive and petty. Like every decision he makes.

I think I’ve answered your final question before at some point and I won’t again no matter how much you ask it because its not a serious one. In the bizarre and frightening world of Ozanne, citizens of a country who lives overseas are no longer allowed to have opinions about that country. I suppose you also ask any Ukrainians you meet why they’re bothered about the political situation back in the Ukraine too?

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

 

Mick Lynch responds to your point, lets not call it a fact because its not. Starmer hasn’t been in the news everyday, as Mick Lynch rightly says, he isn’t able to get the coverage, as per Liverpool, nobody is paying attention, because he just comes out with a load of nothing whenever he does. He’s got nothing interesting to say. So its either his team won’t let him, or the media won’t have him. Either way its pathetic.

How is it growing a pair of bollocks to lash out at the people you employ for showing you up to be the coward that you are. Just seems vindictive and petty. Like every decision he makes.

I think I’ve answered your final question before at some point and I won’t again no matter how much you ask it because its not a serious one. In the bizarre and frightening world of Ozanne, citizens of a country who lives overseas are no longer allowed to have opinions about that country. I suppose you also ask any Ukrainians you meet why they’re bothered about the political situation back in the Ukraine too?

Every one of your claims about Starmer I have pointed out aren’t true such as he isn’t focussing on the Tories. He is, his speech on Monday referenced them a whole bunch but I doubt you even watched it because you have already made your mind up about him. You keep on bringing up points then dropping straight away.

Take the coward part, you said he doesn’t have guts to do something yet when he takes action today the problem is that it’s not the certain action you want him to take.

It is serious, I don’t see why you spend so much energy on a man you clearly have no time for that is in a county you don’t live in. You spend so much time moaning about politics in a country that you don’t live in and doesn’t really impact you. You could just let it go, although then I suppose who would tell us how boring Starmer is (until he does something then he’s a coward or petty or whatever). 

[Guest]

 

[steviewevie]

25 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

 

Mick Lynch responds to your point, lets not call it a fact because its not. Starmer hasn’t been in the news everyday, as Mick Lynch rightly says, he isn’t able to get the coverage, as per Liverpool, nobody is paying attention, because he just comes out with a load of nothing whenever he does. He’s got nothing interesting to say. So its either his team won’t let him, or the media won’t have him. Either way its pathetic.

How is it growing a pair of bollocks to lash out at the people you employ for showing you up to be the coward that you are. Just seems vindictive and petty. Like every decision he makes.

I think I’ve answered your final question before at some point and I won’t again no matter how much you ask it because its not a serious one. In the bizarre and frightening world of Ozanne, citizens of a country who lives overseas are no longer allowed to have opinions about that country. I suppose you also ask any Ukrainians you meet why they’re bothered about the political situation back in the Ukraine too?

The political situation back in Ukraine?

[steviewevie]

 

[squirrelarmy]

I’m guessing I missed a lively debate this evening.