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[Guest]

3 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Starmer says No No No.

I’m sure he has a plan but if they don’t adopt at least something washy in the manifesto I’d be disappointed.

If they have data that shows that it’s not a vote winner then fair enough but personally I would want PR.

[steviewevie]

9 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

I’m sure he has a plan but if they don’t adopt at least something washy in the manifesto I’d be disappointed.

If they have data that shows that it’s not a vote winner then fair enough but personally I would want PR.

Rayner says No No No too.

To be honest I'm not that sure myself.

[steviewevie]

14 minutes ago, lost said:

I want to expand on my previous post. 

The issue here is the BOE and government go hand in hand and the BOE are still in "George Osborne mode" which only really works if we are running smaller deficits with more balanced books. Weirdly Kwarteng is very similar to the budget John Mcdonnell offered up where they were targeting growth to pay for the deficits they were running with the obvious difference that one thinks growth comes from the private sector and the other the public.

 

I reckon Corbyn/McDonnell definitely had a big influence in terms of economic policy, although no one would ever want to admit it. Their manifesto was very popular, although they weren't cause they didn't love the Queen.

God Save The King.

Edited September 26, 2022 by steviewevie

[lost]

8 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

I reckon Corbyn/McDonnell definitely had a big influence in terms of economic policy, although no one would ever want to admit it. Their manifesto was very popular.

Doesn't matter. The dollar is the worlds reserve currency, you need to buy dollars to take part in global trade and we are a net importer. I get the activist wing of his party might not accept that but its the truth.

[Guest]

Can someone with knowledge of the internal workings of the Labour Party please explain what’s the point in conference voting for a motion of the leadership can veto it? I’m sure there’s reasons why it’s like that but is there a way for it to be forced into the manifesto at the Clause V meeting?

[steviewevie]

37 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Can someone with knowledge of the internal workings of the Labour Party please explain what’s the point in conference voting for a motion of the leadership can veto it? I’m sure there’s reasons why it’s like that but is there a way for it to be forced into the manifesto at the Clause V meeting?

Conference motions are not binding.

[steviewevie]

...although this vote does make it potentially part of some future manifesto...maybe...and then tories can come back with their coalition of chaos thing.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

Conference motions are not binding.

So does that mean they are more advisory to the leadership on how the membership feels?

[fraybentos1]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

Cause you're always here, and I can't resist a peak...but it's always just some shitty little comment about Ozanne... especially when a pile on is starting. You're a fucking prick bentos.

Yeah it's defo me that's always here 🤣 numpty.

Honestly don't care about ur opinion of me, you seem like a total c**t tbh. I'm not the only one with an issue with ozanne, theres about 2 people a day atm. Hes already seen off a few regulars in this thread, soon it'll just be u and him posting ur twitter feeds at each other lol. 

[steviewevie]

14 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

So does that mean they are more advisory to the leadership on how the membership feels?

yes.

[steviewevie]

15 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

Yeah it's defo me that's always here 🤣 numpty.

Honestly don't care about ur opinion of me, you seem like a total c**t tbh. I'm not the only one with an issue with ozanne, theres about 2 people a day atm. Hes already seen off a few regulars in this thread, soon it'll just be u and him posting ur twitter feeds at each other lol. 

Lol.

[steviewevie]

31 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

Yeah it's defo me that's always here 🤣 numpty.

Honestly don't care about ur opinion of me, you seem like a total c**t tbh. I'm not the only one with an issue with ozanne, theres about 2 people a day atm. Hes already seen off a few regulars in this thread, soon it'll just be u and him posting ur twitter feeds at each other lol. 

the only contribution you ever make is to bitch about Ozanne, and he doesn't even read your posts or interact with you, which must be frustrating. And you're all over this place like a rash if there's some beef with Ozanne and someone else. Maybe post on the other thread about some news or something. lol

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

the only contribution you ever make is to bitch about Ozanne, and he doesn't even read your posts or interact with you, which must be frustrating. And you're all over this place like a rash if there's some beef with Ozanne and someone else. Maybe post on the other thread about some news or something. lol

You are right, all he ever seems to do is post about me and even then he barely gets a response. It must be disheartening for him to be here so often and hardly anyone responds to him.

He must’ve jealous of all the responses I get on here.

[charlierc]

On 9/25/2022 at 4:36 PM, maelzoid said:

He's made some great music and I respect him for that, but I cannot get my head around his thinking here.

If his rhetoric is indistinguishable to that coming from the Kremlin, is he anything other than a Putin apologist?

Wouldn't surprise me if there are more cancellations, and as this is his last tour, it is a bit of a sad ending to his career. On the other hand, I'd still like to hear Comfortably Numb live again...

I've found the position of his and others to be head-scratching. By all means, there's been imperialist pro-war tendencies for ages in the West, but it reads like he's giving Russia a pass when they've gone this far into such acts and at this time, that feels wholly ridiculous.

For the record, he's saying the gigs aren't cancelled and are still planned. But if this is already going on, it's hard to feel there's a great enthusiasm for him turning up there.

[steviewevie]

11 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

You are right, all he ever seems to do is post about me and even then he barely gets a response. It must be disheartening for him to be here so often and hardly anyone responds to him.

He must’ve jealous of all the responses I get on here.

Yes, that must be it. Jealous of yours and Starmer's increasing popularity. 

[charlierc]

12 hours ago, steviewevie said:

Is Italian election result (and Sweden's) a good argument that PR isn't necessarily the greatest system?

Italy has an odd FPTP/PR hybrid, although I would have assumed these results they've had might well have come through both methodologies. Their 2018 ballot producing a coalition of the populist 5 Star and Northern League parties was a hint that they'd gone down this road. 

I'm aware it's a pretty terrible look for the system to birth a post-fascist leadership earning the admiring eyes of the likes of Putin and Orban, although Italy's record of chop-change turbulent politics makes me think this group will fall apart at some point before their next ballot. Hell, 3 different coalitions of different ideological make-up since 2018 and a snap choice to run out Draghi does make you wonder what we'd get.

I'm aware the argument about PR's flaws could well return back to 2015 in the UK tbf, given I think a PR system would likely have created a Tory/UKIP coalition at that ballot. Admittedly their policy remit probably wouldn't be far off what the Tories became after jettisoning Cameron and May, but still.

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Yes, that must be it. Jealous of yours and Starmer's increasing popularity. 

Maybe he wishes I liked him as much as I like Starmer. 

[Skip997]

On 9/25/2022 at 4:36 PM, maelzoid said:

He's made some great music and I respect him for that, but I cannot get my head around his thinking here.

He's always been a bit of an arse, by far the least likeable of Pink Floyd.

[Rufus Gwertigan]

I miss Worm who used to post on Discussions. His arguments with Neil were classic. I find some of the recent posts on here to be comedy gold. 

Even so this is just an internet forum and a safe space. I troll (yes troll) right wing and conspiracy sites on FB. I have had a few serious threats which have caused me to back out of rallies.

[fraybentos1]

34 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

the only contribution you ever make is to bitch about Ozanne, and he doesn't even read your posts or interact with you, which must be frustrating. And you're all over this place like a rash if there's some beef with Ozanne and someone else. Maybe post on the other thread about some news or something. lol

There’s almost 0 political discussion here when you and ozanne are about (which is all the time). For example today, you’ve simply posted ‘god save the king’ about 5 times 😂😂 Meanwhile ozanne has just been being a c**t to crazyfool to the point he leaves. I think we both know why you put up with him the way you do but I cba being that harsh on you both. There’s defo a codependency thing going on tho. Any attempt to move to the gen news discussion you 2 just appear there anyway. 
 

28 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

You are right, all he ever seems to do is post about me and even then he barely gets a response. It must be disheartening for him to be here so often and hardly anyone responds to him.

He must’ve jealous of all the responses I get on here.

you read all my posts, we both know it. Most of the responses you get at the moment are old regulars leaving the thread cause they don’t want to be anywhere near you. It’s like 4 people in the last week 😂😂😂

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

There’s almost 0 political discussion here when you and ozanne are about (which is all the time). For example today, you’ve simply posted ‘god save the king’ about 5 times 😂😂 Meanwhile ozanne has just been being a c**t to crazyfool to the point he leaves. I think we both know why you put up with him the way you do but I cba being that harsh on you both. There’s defo a codependency thing going on tho. Any attempt to move to the gen news discussion you 2 just appear there anyway. 
 

you read all my posts, we both know it. Most of the responses you get at the moment are old regulars leaving the thread cause they don’t want to be anywhere near you. It’s like 4 people in the last week 😂😂😂

And you posting weird bile like that.

[Guest]

Lol poster moaning about lack of political chat whilst posting nothing politics related. Does he ever post anything worthwhile?

Unlike me I share helpful information, insightful thoughts on the political going ons of the day and share my passion for politics. No wonder he can’t stop talking about me. 

[steviewevie]

 

[Rufus Gwertigan]

Andy Burnham posting on favour of PR. Will we see a shifting policy

 

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, Rufus Gwertigan said:

Andy Burnham posting on favour of PR. Will we see a shifting policy

 

Feels inevitable... eventually...