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Obviously horrible news. But I think pointing the finger at Rayner is not only unfair to her, but also serves to help silence critics of the Tories. Don't forget that over the years, BJ's words h

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24 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

well...yeah, may come to that if they can't somehow turn things around over the coming weeks and months.

and brexit doesn't help with this whole growth thing either - what a fuckup.

growth needs a plan to create it, it doesn't just happen, well, not at the above-average levels truss wants.

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11 hours ago, Kurosagi said:

A general election right now would be an appalling idea, the last thing we need is another couple of months of no govt. Effectively we've had bugger all govt this year at all. The first six months were dominated by that idiot Johnson and his operation save big dog, then paralysis with a leadership campaign, then the royal death hysteria, then the Kwasi & Truss incompetency show, then conference season FFS. It's no wonder the IMF think we're a joke of a nation.

What we need is a cross party govt of unity to stabilise the country and get through the winter as best we can without breaking everything beyond repair. No idea how it works in practice as I wasn't around the last time we had one, but if ever there was a time for politicians to ditch all this ideological grandstanding and just get back to work it's now.

You really think that would happen? Can’t imagine a world where the tories go, I know, let’s invite Labour, Lib Dems etc to join us. That is a massive sign of weakness from the tories so can’t in a million years see then going for that option.

 

To be clear I don’t see them calling an election either given their position in the polls, but still think this is more likely than a cross party govt, as they could oust Truss, get Sunak in and then go to the country. 

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10 hours ago, Ozanne said:

The civil service underpins all of this to ensure continuity of government.

We have a 'tory' govt not a 'civil service' govt i.e. the civil servants will come in to work each day and pull a pay cheque no matter how much the politicians run around like headless chickens. But what they will be working on was whatever the last 'coherent' policy instruction was regardless of whether that is needed right now.

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You really think that would happen? Can’t imagine a world where the tories go, I know, let’s invite Labour, Lib Dems etc to join us. That is a massive sign of weakness from the tories so can’t in a million years see then going for that option.

I was arguing that it was "needed". Is it likely? No, because the tories are a bunch of narcissists who think any problem is somebody else's fault.

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A national unity government, government of national unity (GNU), or national union government is a broad coalition government consisting of all parties (or all major parties) in the legislature, usually formed during a time of war or other national emergency.

I'd argue that we're perilously close to 'national emergency', hence my reference to Greece.

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Just now, Kurosagi said:

We have a 'tory' govt not a 'civil service' govt i.e. the civil servants will come in to work each day and pull a pay cheque no matter how much the politicians run around like headless chickens. But what they will be working on was whatever the last 'coherent' policy instruction was regardless of whether that is needed right now.

The civil service underpins the government and ensure that the machinery of government is still working whilst there is a handover of power. The country doesn’t grind to a halt when Parliament is dissolved. So in that case the country will be ok if an election is called and will be better off after the election anyway.

The Tories have caused this latest crises and they don’t appear like they are equipped to handle it therefore we need another party that can and a general election should be called.

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8 minutes ago, tigger123 said:

They may well do, I still think they’d see a bounce in their polling though. Truss consistently polls low on the economy, Sunak would perform far better on this

i agree rishi would do better, more boris, better still.

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You really think that would happen? Can’t imagine a world where the tories go, I know, let’s invite Labour, Lib Dems etc to join us. That is a massive sign of weakness from the tories so can’t in a million years see then going for that option.

 

To be clear I don’t see them calling an election either given their position in the polls, but still think this is more likely than a cross party govt, as they could oust Truss, get Sunak in and then go to the country. 

Truss might threaten her MPs with an election so they support all her shit ideas.

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4 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

So in that case the country will be ok if an election is called

If an election was called then NO decisions on the issues of the day would be made UNTIL a new govt was formed because those decisions would be POLITICAL and the civil servants are not politicians elected to make those decisions. That means no resolution of strikes over pay disputes, no relaxing of immigration rules to allow our NHS and social care to be fully staffed, no extra funding found to resolve the funding crisis in schools...etc etc.

I was trying to make the point that when the wolves are at the door it's best to stop arguing and work together.

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If an election was called then NO decisions on the issues of the day would be made UNTIL a new govt was formed because those decisions would be POLITICAL and the civil servants are not politicians elected to make those decisions. That means no resolution of strikes over pay disputes, no relaxing of immigration rules to allow our NHS and social care to be fully staffed, no extra funding found to resolve the funding crisis in schools...etc etc.

I was trying to make the point that when the wolves are at the door it's best to stop arguing and work together.

Main problem is energy crisis, that is mostly resolved with new cap, and now the financial crisis from the mini budget, and you never know an election and a possible change of government might cause the markets to react positively. So far spending commitments for NHS have not changed under Truss, and other funding will remain same. Quicker this govt is removed the better I reckon.

Anyway, all academic...more likely Kwarteng will be sacked, and then Truss removed and replaced with Mordaunt, Wallace, Sunak, or....Johnson.

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1 hour ago, Kurosagi said:

If an election was called then NO decisions on the issues of the day would be made UNTIL a new govt was formed because those decisions would be POLITICAL and the civil servants are not politicians elected to make those decisions. That means no resolution of strikes over pay disputes, no relaxing of immigration rules to allow our NHS and social care to be fully staffed, no extra funding found to resolve the funding crisis in schools...etc etc.

I was trying to make the point that when the wolves are at the door it's best to stop arguing and work together.

You said there wouldn’t be a government but there would be, we are never without one. No new policies will be enacted but they would still work on issues facing the country.

The Tories aren’t doing anything to fix those issues you mention anyway so the best course to fix them be a new governing party; therefore a general election would be needed now. 

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You said there wouldn’t be a government but there would be, we are never without one. No new policies will be enacted but they would still work on issues facing the country.

The Tories aren’t doing anything to fix those issues you mention anyway so the best course to fix them be a new governing party; therefore a general election would be needed now. 

yeah, fuck a coalition with those fuckers. Remove them.

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7 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

yeah, fuck a coalition with those fuckers. Remove them.

It’s odd, get the people responsible out and have a decent shot at fixing things.

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