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[steviewevie]

Johnson was a dodgy twat, bullshitter,  lacked integrity, should never have been PM...but I would take him over Truss, and even over Sunak too. At least he understood that the country needed redistribution, and he did seem to take net zero more seriously, and politically he understood that the new brexit coalition that voted tory in 2019 could be temporary if they weren't careful. Many disagreed with the NI rise, and I think it should have been income tax, but it was a tax to pay for NHS and hopefully social care, may not be enough...but it was a move in the right direction imo. In the end this was too unpopular in his own party which is why we saw all the promises of tax cuts over the summer...and now this...

Edited October 17, 2022 by steviewevie

[Neil]

 

[lost]

Nice Graph:

 

[squirrelarmy]

Need an election before Truss is removed. You know who will be back to lead the election campaign. 

[steviewevie]

10 minutes ago, Neil said:

 

scaring Tory MPs into supporting Truss.

[Guest]

So how long till Truss phones Zelensky again?

[Neil]

1 minute ago, Ozanne said:

So how long till Truss phones Zelensky again?

she'd need ben Wallace for that call, but she knows if she lets him into no10, he isn't leaving first.

[lost]

Beeb think the energy price guarantee is about to be scaled back - Called it!

[Guest]

So the other day Truss mocked Starmer for Labour not having an energy plan after 6 months and now she doesn’t have one either.

[ian the worm]

Slasher Hunt video is out. Off you trott Liz. 

[Neil]

2 minutes ago, ian the worm said:

Slasher Hunt video is out. Off you trott Liz. 

i couldnt agree more, what about energy bills?????

[lost]

Just now, Neil said:

what about energy bills?????

Beeb saying only guaranteed till April now then replaced with something else rather than the 2 year guarantee

[Guest]

At least the support for energy bills is still in place but the optics of a u turn on it is a disaster.

It proves that Starmer was right all along and his plan was the right way to go. 

[steviewevie]

31 minutes ago, lost said:

Beeb saying only guaranteed till April now then replaced with something else rather than the 2 year guarantee

more targetted. Sensible.

[steviewevie]

They still not doing the windfall tax thing?

[steviewevie]

19 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

At least the support for energy bills is still in place but the optics of a u turn on it is a disaster.

It proves that Starmer was right all along and his plan was the right way to go. 

Wasn't Labour's enegy cap only till next April?

[Guest]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

They still not doing the windfall tax thing?

It doesn’t seem so, last bit of news was that might be against renewable energy firms only. I’m sure the stans for Shell and BP will be happy. 
 

Just now, steviewevie said:

Wasn't Labour's enegy cap only till next April?

Yeah, they were going to wait till the new year to gauge the energy market and review the measures. The Tories have basically reverted to his plan minus the windfall tax. He’s been proven right again. 

[efcfanwirral]

4 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

more targetted. Sensible.

Definitely. A blanket policy when not knowing the final cost is crazy. I imagine they would've scrapped it for this winter if they weren't so far behind in the polls too. 

[steviewevie]

I'd rather they did something more targetted...just capping prices for everyone kind of regressive...plus bloody expensive...plus maybe some wealthier households might use a bit less energy...but I appreciate it's probably a lot more complicated and they needed to do something quickly.

[Guest]

We also need a public information campaign about using less energy. 

[Neil]

if we've got inflation and stuff cos of Ukraine war, but changing UK policy changes it, it should also stop the war.

[steviewevie]

[steviewevie]

Al least bankers still won't get their bonus capped.

[steviewevie]

Labour have got an Urgent Question for Truss granted this afternoon...but will she bother turning up?

[Guest]

Starmer should call a vote of no confidence in the government. Lock down any Tory MPs that want to support her.