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[Guest]

21 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

yeah maybe, well it was always going to be a long term project, there is no quick fix, and he did put Gove in charge who does seem to be someone who takes his job seriously and gets things done...but the cash wasn't there from Sunak so his plans became a bit of a damp squib. But at least there were some ideas, some thought had gone into it, unlike under Truss who just thought it was best to make wealthy wealthier.

This is what I mean, the amount of leeway people are willing to give Johnson is incredible. He was in charge before and did absolutely nothing.

The devils greatest trick etc etc. 

[Guest]

Just now, zahidf said:

citation needed? that seems to be BJ's pitch, but it isnt borne out by any polling

Data I shared last night showed Johnson was really unpopular before he left office. If a person has an open mind (or isn’t a moron) they can view that data and see what it means. 

[squirrelarmy]

24 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

yeah maybe, well it was always going to be a long term project, there is no quick fix, and he did put Gove in charge who does seem to be someone who takes his job seriously and gets things done...but the cash wasn't there from Sunak so his plans became a bit of a damp squib. But at least there were some ideas, some thought had gone into it, unlike under Truss who just thought it was best to make wealthy wealthier.

You’ve been entrapped by his lies much like the rest of the country. 
 

The guy is literally the incarnation of the saying “All talk no action”

[Neil]

3 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

If Boris gets it he would have to call an immediate general election surely to blunt the threats of people resigning and calling by elections etc and go straight to the people.

It would be strangest and unpredictable election in history I think.  I don't think the polling would be useful.

Boris is still hugely popular with enough of the country to make Keir feel uncomfortable.  He would defo rather take on anyone else.

don't think boris is scared of an election, just all the other tory mps:from question time last night, reckon this is a good time to lay into labour to undermine their vote. altho giving the libdems a free hand might hurt tories more.

[zahidf]

Labour aren't scared

 

 

 

[steviewevie]

25 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

This is what I mean, the amount of leeway people are willing to give Johnson is incredible. He was in charge before and did absolutely nothing.

The devils greatest trick etc etc. 

a large amount of his time in office was during the pandemic. He did increase NHS/social care funding, COP26 was sort of successful in getting some agreements, and the UK did do well with the vaccines. Don't get me wrong I don't think he is equipped for the job really, I mean he can't be bothered to go to parliament because he's in the caribbean for a start...but in terms of where he is ideologically I think I definitely prefer him to Truss, and maybe to some of the other candidates.

But...in my heart, I would rather Sunak or Mordaunt over Johnson.

Edited October 21, 2022 by steviewevie

[steviewevie]

12 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said:

You’ve been entrapped by his lies much like the rest of the country. 
 

The guy is literally the incarnation of the saying “All talk no action”

Gove wrote a white paper on it!

(and admitted in press that lack of funds from treasury had blown away most of the bigger stuff he wanted to do)

[Neil]

4 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

a large amount of his time in office was during the pandemic. He did increase NHS/social care funding, COP26 was sort of successful in getting some agreements, and the UK did do well with the vaccines. Don't get me wrong I don't think he is equipped for the job really, I mean he can't be offered to go to parliament because he's in the caribbean for a start...but in terms of where he is ideologically I think I definitely prefer him to Truss, and maybe to some of the other candidates.

But...in my heart, I would rather Sunak or Mordaunt over Johnson.

one problem with johnson's return is, who would be his chancellor?

[squirrelarmy]

3 minutes ago, Neil said:

one problem with johnson's return is, who would be his chancellor?

Sunak apparently. We’re stuck in a time loop. 

[Neil]

looooioog is reading my tweets

 

[Neil]

Just now, Barry Fish said:

It won't be Sunak for sure.  He has noting to gain from that.

he won't be as hated by the Boris fans.

[lost]

I think Hunt may stay as chancellor to calm the markets. Highest interest payments in history this month at £7.7bn, deficit at £20bn, £5bn more than expected. Pound on the way back down.

[Guest]

If Johnson gets back in he’s going to fire Hunt.

[Neil]

5 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

If Johnson gets back in he’s going to fire Hunt.

he should cos hunt will be operating to hunt's agenda, not spaffer's.

[lost]

Would Rishi even want to be an austerity chancellor? Great when he's handing money out to everyone with furlough schemes and eat out to help out. Not so great when it needs to be paid back.

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, Neil said:

he should cos hunt will be operating to hunt's agenda, not spaffer's.

They never got on did they?

[Guest]

This could be the big issue for Johnson. 

[Zoo Music Girl]

1 hour ago, Neil said:

gove is treading water waiting for something  - not his chance to be leader, cos right now is the easiest chance to be leader that there will ever be.

I feel like I'm always expecting Gove to do something but ultimately I think his lifestyle means he doesn't want to put himself forward (being a massive cokehead).

[Zoo Music Girl]

1 hour ago, squirrelarmy said:

I thought that was because he could get someone pregnant just by being within 3 feet of them. 

Same

[Zoo Music Girl]

1 hour ago, zahidf said:

citation needed? that seems to be BJ's pitch, but it isnt borne out by any polling

Polling isnt 100%, but 25-30 points labour lead is fairly strong indication what would happen

Before Boris went there were a couple of Brutal by elections for the Tories so he might not be the electoral gift he once was.

[Neil]

Just now, Zoo Music Girl said:

Before Boris went there were a couple of Brutal by elections for the Tories so he might not be the electoral gift he once was.

its not a free ride to victory, tories are damaged, and he's damaged.

[squirrelarmy]

16 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

This could be the big issue for Johnson. 

Do you know who has the deciding call over if the ministerial code was broken and decides if the minister should resign?

It’s the Prime Minister

So Boris gets to be the judge and executioner in his own trial if he gets back in. Hence the speed of the leadership race. 

[zahidf]

1 minute ago, squirrelarmy said:

Do you know who has the deciding call over if the ministerial code was broken and decides if the minister should resign?

It’s the Prime Minister

So Boris gets to be the judge and executioner in his own trial if he gets back in. Hence the speed of the leadership race. 

Its not breaking the ministerial code: its breaking parliament's rules, so it would be up to parliament by way of a vote.

 

He could force the MP's to vote against him being suspended, but that would come at a big political cost

[Zoo Music Girl]

45 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Yup but sadly we have seen people are willing to sell their souls to get a red box.

It won't be Sunak for sure.  He has noting to gain from that.

Sunak would look very weak to take his old job back.

[Zoo Music Girl]

4 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said:

Do you know who has the deciding call over if the ministerial code was broken and decides if the minister should resign?

It’s the Prime Minister

So Boris gets to be the judge and executioner in his own trial if he gets back in. Hence the speed of the leadership race. 

Fucking hell