news & politics:discussion

[SheffJeff]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

Result in Brazil is going to be so close.

I keep refreshing the 'scores' like it's a bloody football match.

[Guest]

 

Oh another goody from the Tories.

[Zoo Music Girl]

23 minutes ago, clarkete said:

Fair shout. 

I can recall answering the phone to him when he was chair of the young social democrats, so as someone who didn't closely follow the transition to the Lib Dems I was a tad surprised several years later seeing him commenting on the comings and goings of the tories.

Ha I bet!

[mattiloy]

Lula wins.

Good stuff. It seems that everyone loves a leftist beating the hard right, as long as it happens in some far flung land.

[steviewevie]

Lula wins, just.

[clarkete]

41 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

Lula wins.

Good stuff. It seems that everyone loves a leftist beating the hard right, as long as it happens in some far flung land.

Hard to compare too much to other countries with Bolsonaro wasn't it? 

Some of the things he's done during his term have been awful and the campaign he's run has used his status and government propaganda for his campaign, whilst also stating pretty flatly that if he didn't win then it would be an unfair election.

[kaosmark2]

1 hour ago, clarkete said:

Hard to compare too much to other countries with Bolsonaro wasn't it? 

Some of the things he's done during his term have been awful and the campaign he's run has used his status and government propaganda for his campaign, whilst also stating pretty flatly that if he didn't win then it would be an unfair election.

I mean, Trump compares.

[steviewevie]

6 hours ago, kaosmark2 said:

I mean, Trump compares.

and Erdogan and Oban.

But in terms of international impact Bolsonaro is right up there because of the importance of the Amazon to the global climate.

[steviewevie]

31 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

and Erdogan and Oban.

But in terms of international impact Bolsonaro is right up there because of the importance of the Amazon to the global climate.

...and Putin, maybe he'll get kicked out in the next election too haha.

[Neil]

9 hours ago, steviewevie said:

Lula wins, just.

its not over till its over, this is brazil, remember. military coup this week!

[Guest]

This is a bit racist. 

[mattiloy]

9 hours ago, clarkete said:

Hard to compare too much to other countries with Bolsonaro wasn't it? 

Some of the things he's done during his term have been awful and the campaign he's run has used his status and government propaganda for his campaign, whilst also stating pretty flatly that if he didn't win then it would be an unfair election.

In terms of corruption, undermining democratic institutions, enabling environmental degradation, damaging the country’s international standing, attacks on human rights, minorities - the tories absolutely hold pace with him.

Maybe the big emotive factor is the amazon. Which considering the uk has denuded its own temperate rainforest to about 1% of it natural range over the centuries in first feudalism’s and later capitalism’s name, without any real effort to restore it, smacks of hypocrisy and colonialist thinking.

Leftism and environmentalism for developing countries, fascism and consumerism at home. The western liberal’s preferred status quo.

The guardian joined in on the smears on Britain’s Lula and let in Britain’s Bolsonaro.

Edited October 31, 2022 by mattiloy

[charlierc]

Given how abysmal Bolsonaro was as President, that was a lot closer than it should really have been, plus I suspect that he's probably not going to leave quietly.

[steviewevie]

32 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

In terms of corruption, undermining democratic institutions, enabling environmental degradation, damaging the country’s international standing, attacks on human rights, minorities - the tories absolutely hold pace with him.

Maybe the big emotive factor is the amazon. Which considering the uk has denuded its own temperate rainforest to about 1% of it natural range over the centuries in first feudalism’s and later capitalism’s name, without any real effort to restore it, smacks of hypocrisy and colonialist thinking.

Leftism and environmentalism for developing countries, fascism and consumerism at home. The western liberal’s preferred status quo.

The guardian joined in on the smears on Britain’s Lula and let in Britain’s Bolsonaro.

Yes, just the same.

[clarkete]

47 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

 

Wait, the minister for food is Mark Spencer? 

[Neil]

7 minutes ago, clarkete said:

Wait, the minister for food is Mark Spencer? 

politics is his sideline.

[clarkete]

3 minutes ago, Neil said:

politics is his sideline.

Tsk he can't be much of a tory if the profit of his shops keeps going down whilst he's in power, he should be feathering the nest. 

[Guest]

49 minutes ago, clarkete said:

Wait, the minister for food is Mark Spencer? 

At this stage they are just trolling us out right. 

[mattiloy]

3 hours ago, steviewevie said:

Yes, just the same.

 

Left wing and Green policy platform ✅ 

Election versus malign, corrupt far right ✅ 

 

and…

Wreath laying ✅ 

Sharing platforms with baddies ✅ 

Recognising state of palestine ✅ 

 

One is heralded and the other hounded by the british liberal commentariet.

 

Same praise is reserved for other foreign left figures: Bernie Sanders, AOC, Gabriel Boric

 

It is the liberal moral deficit manifest: ’I agree with the principle of left wing politics, but I don’t want them to personally effect me as regards paying more tax or having to send my brats to some brutish comprehensive school’

 

Edited October 31, 2022 by mattiloy

[Guest]

Don’t forget Obama, he’s a dreamy guy. 

[Crazyfool01]

How the hell is braverman still in office ?!!!  I guess if sunak sacks her it reflects very badly on him … she’s bloody horrendous 

[Neil]

12 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

How the hell is braverman still in office ?!!!  I guess if sunak sacks her it reflects very badly on him … she’s bloody horrendous 

shes on the right of the party, having her on board quietens the w*nkers.

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, Neil said:

shes on the right of the party, having her on board quietens the w*nkers.

She’s off the far end of the right scale .. appeases 1922 knobs … but not sure she can hang on now … so it’s gonna cause plenty of disruption 

[steviewevie]

1 hour ago, mattiloy said:

 

Left wing and Green policy platform ✅ 

Election versus malign, corrupt far right ✅ 

 

and…

Wreath laying ✅ 

Sharing platforms with baddies ✅ 

Recognising state of palestine ✅ 

 

One is heralded and the other hounded by the british liberal commentariet.

 

Same praise is reserved for other foreign left figures: Bernie Sanders, AOC, Gabriel Boric

 

It is the liberal moral deficit manifest: ’I agree with the principle of left wing politics, but I don’t want them to personally effect me as regards paying more tax or having to send my brats to some brutish comprehensive school’

 

not sure what you're banging on about.

It was mainly relief that Bolsonaro lost.

[steviewevie]

22 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

She’s off the far end of the right scale .. appeases 1922 knobs … but not sure she can hang on now … so it’s gonna cause plenty of disruption 

she's both ideologically twisted and ridiculously shit and shouldn't be anywhere near government let along the Home Office. Kind of just shows how weak Sunak is and how divided his party is that he felt he had to put her there.