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[cellar]

10 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

maybe rejoining EU would be a start, and maybe investing in things instead of just cutting.

Yes both nice ideas, though I don't know enough about how rejoining EU would work... How long would that take? I'd wager not soon enough to tackle the immediate problems we face financially. 

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, cellar said:

Yes both nice ideas, though I don't know enough about how rejoining EU would work... How long would that take? I'd wager not soon enough to tackle the immediate problems we face financially. 

might help with some growth forecasts so we could borrow more.

[cellar]

20 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

might help with some growth forecasts so we could borrow more.

You reckon? Either way, it doesn't seem a likely path right now.

At least we're not entertaining the idea that the mini-budget/Tories is/are directly responsible for global inflation anymore.

[steviewevie]

11 minutes ago, cellar said:

You reckon? Either way, it doesn't seem a likely path right now.

Well...didn't OBR or someone or other say it meant a 4% lower GDP after leaving the EU, maybe we'd get that back?

But, yeah, not happening, but at least remoaners like me can keep banging on about it blaming stupid leavers etc

[steviewevie]

RMT suspending strikes...

[Guest]

Never let the Tories off anything. Give them an inch and they’ll take a mile. 

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[cellar]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

Well...didn't OBR or someone or other say it meant a 4% lower GDP after leaving the EU, maybe we'd get that back?

But, yeah, not happening, but at least remoaners like me can keep banging on about it blaming stupid leavers etc

Oh yeah the damage has definitely been done (not sure on the figures, but I think you're right about it being around 4-5%, something about 3.something vs 8.something springs to mind... But I might be totally wrong), I'm just not sure that it would be as clear cut as reversing it out if we were to say we'd rejoin, at least not in the short to medium term.

Also timeframes aside, any boost there would help but it wouldn't be a silver bullet.

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[Guest]

13 minutes ago, OverlyComplicated said:

No not silly either economically naive or politically cynical depending on what you actually believe to be the case.

My line on the doorstep would be this is a Tory crisis and if the person seems savvy enough to see the bigger picture then acknowledge the wider scale effects but zone in on, why aren't we prepared enough to deal with such crisis? 12 years of Tory mismanagement that's why.

Being savvy is exactly it. Take every opportunity to pin it on the Tories, they would exactly the same to everyone else. The ‘Tory Premium’ is a good way to go about it, just land it all on them and hopefully it’ll sway voters. 

[steviewevie]

[Guest]

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[Neil]

just heard lord saaachi on the radio, he had some interesting things to say about the tories, and the state were in, and.

[Kurosagi]

18 hours ago, lost said:

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Thanks for posting this, it's an interesting/articulate overview of where we're at. It's a valuable reminder to any labour zealots about dialing back expectations of what can actually be achieved with a potential term in office - the room for manoeuvre is going to be vanishingly small.

I don't read the FT, but a question for those that do...is this article typical of the commentary in the paper or a one-off? It's refreshing to read something non-partisan, it has a nice cut through.

[Guest]

12 years of Tory rule have meant we can’t expect much if Labour get into power, but that’s Labour supporters issue and not the governing Tories of course. 

[Neil]

14 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

12 years of Tory rule have meant we can’t expect much if Labour get into power, but that’s Labour supporters issue and not the governing Tories of course. 

there's not much they can change quickly, doesn't matter how big their ambitions are, they're limited in the difference they can make, and voters need to have their expectation tempered.

[steviewevie]

40 minutes ago, Kurosagi said:

 

I don't read the FT, but a question for those that do...is this article typical of the commentary in the paper or a one-off? It's refreshing to read something non-partisan, it has a nice cut through.

lots of nice centristy journos working there...

[steviewevie]

17 minutes ago, Neil said:

there's not much they can change quickly, doesn't matter how big their ambitions are, they're limited in the difference they can make, and voters need to have their expectation tempered.

vote for us, we won't make much difference.

[Neil]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

vote for us, we won't make much difference.

they need to be honest about their policies, such as nationalising the railways won't create an instant travel utopia, it'll cause strikes (when unions think the govt will be reasonable, for an example, see Scotland ). it'll need investment which is money that cant be spent elsewhere, etc.

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, Neil said:

they need to be honest about their policies, such as nationalising the railways won't create an instant travel utopia, it'll cause strikes (when unions think the govt will be reasonable, for an example, see Scotland ). it'll need investment which is money that cant be spent elsewhere, etc.

there's been a few strikes in England too

[Guest]

47 minutes ago, Neil said:

there's not much they can change quickly, doesn't matter how big their ambitions are, they're limited in the difference they can make, and voters need to have their expectation tempered.

Indeed. Although even the smallest bit of change brought about by Labour will infinitely better than anything the Tories do. 

[steviewevie]

word is they won't cut benefits and will keep triple lock, but there will be stealth taxes on things like pensions.

[Guest]

There’s been about 69 different versions of what they are gonna do 😂

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[Neil]

2 hours ago, steviewevie said:

there's been a few strikes in England too

yeah, but unions always think they can win against s sympathetic govt, the Scottish nationalisation has resulted in a worse service at a higher cost to the taxpayer.