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[Guest]

There is a plan and unsurprisingly it’s a sensible one.

[fraybentos1]

58 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Indeed. However just because he’s taken a tighter grip on certain MP selections he’s a bad guy.

 

19 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

There is a plan and unsurprisingly it’s a sensible one.

You sound like you're trying to convince yourself 🤣

[mattiloy]

2 hours ago, steviewevie said:

Well, it will be pissing off a lot of Labour people on the left. Reading that Guardian article that Matiloy was referring to this bit at end sounds kind of credible...

There is also another part of the puzzle – though the polls look good for Labour, there is a significant chance Starmer will have a small majority or even a minority government. If he does, the calculation is that he cannot afford to be held to ransom by his own MPs, in the same way the Conservatives have collapsed four recent prime ministers.

From
Starmer takes aim at loose cannons with his tight control of Labour selections | Labour | The Guardian

Yes. In addition to revealing his discern for democracy and a preference for the tyranny of technocracy, filling the candidate lists with hard right extremists and blocking even soft left candidates tells you everything about the policy positions he would seek to implement once in power.

Grrrrrr those troublesome centre leftists voting down my spy cop bills

[Guest]

Zarah Sultana won her reselection bid, so Starmer is hardly blocking lefties. What nonsense.

They are falling foul to rule changes that Corbyn brought in, he made it easier for deselections to take place. He’s a genius. 

[mattiloy]

44 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Zarah Sultana won her reselection bid, so Starmer is hardly blocking lefties. What nonsense.

They are falling foul to rule changes that Corbyn brought in, he made it easier for deselections to take place. He’s a genius. 

You’ve clearly not read the articles or have any grasp of the selection process. Back to school Ozanne

[Neil]

5 hours ago, mattiloy said:

I ask not that everyone hates Starmer. I personally cant help but hate injustice and the devious bullies who mete it out even if they wear a red rosette.

funny how people didn't have that problem with saint jeremy?

[Neil]

2 hours ago, Barry Fish said:

I noticed Labour slagged off the migrant plan with France while offering no credible alternative. 

this is an issue labour should keep quiet about to let the tories put a plan in place, so that  labour can blame all problems on the tories.

[Guest]

27 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

You’ve clearly not read the articles or have any grasp of the selection process. Back to school Ozanne

Now now, no need for personal attacks just because I criticised Corbyn.

Tarry wasn’t blocked from standing, he lost. Sultana wasn’t blocked from standing, she won. The common theme is Starmer didn’t block either, facts are your friend. 

Edited November 15, 2022 by Ozanne

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

 

Uh ohhh, Mr Labour party doesn't know that an incumbent MP is always included in the reselection list. I guess thats the depth of knowledge you get when you've only been supporting the Labour party for two years.

The issue, as the articles convey had you bothered to read them, is with factional interference by Labour HQ interference in candidate longlists to make almost all the options for candidates taken from the labour right, usually against the will of the local labour party.

Why have you made this about me? I merely pointed out that Starmer hasn’t been stopping people from standing (see Tarry and Sultana), no need to make up stuff about me.

Let’s end this here as you’ve already got personal, we don’t need to clog up the thread with that stuff. 

[Guest]

Just now, mattiloy said:

This thread is one great fatberg formed of the lipid turds of your Starmer fanboi posts. Its is almost only clog.

Starmer can’t stop incumbent MPs from standing without suspending the whip. That is not what is being discussed. Is it so hard to understand?

Now now, there’s no need for any of this. Lets stop this as you can’t talk in a civil manner. 

[steviewevie]

1 hour ago, mattiloy said:

Yes. In addition to revealing his discern for democracy and a preference for the tyranny of technocracy, filling the candidate lists with hard right extremists and blocking even soft left candidates tells you everything about the policy positions he would seek to implement once in power.

Grrrrrr those troublesome centre leftists voting down my spy cop bills

hard right

[Guest]

I would say it’s peculiar that Sunak can’t apologise for his Party’s mess but he is a Tory after all. 

[steviewevie]

A Russian missile has hit Poland... accidentally...

[kaosmark2]

3 hours ago, mattiloy said:

Yes. In addition to revealing his discern for democracy and a preference for the tyranny of technocracy, filling the candidate lists with hard right extremists and blocking even soft left candidates tells you everything about the policy positions he would seek to implement once in power.

Grrrrrr those troublesome centre leftists voting down my spy cop bills

"Hard right extremists" seriously?

I'm no fan of Starmer and he is spouting authoritarian bullshit but that's ridiculous hyperbole. 

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

"Hard right extremists" seriously?

I'm no fan of Starmer and he is spouting authoritarian bullshit but that's ridiculous hyperbole. 

I mean both sides do it right...you have scary sounding hard right and hard left...and nice cuddly soft left and soft right....and then something super soft and cuddly called the centre.

[steviewevie]

Anyway, who gives a fuck. WW3 has just started.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

Anyway, who gives a fuck. WW3 has just started.

I doubt we’ll be going to war over misfired missiles. 

[atomised]

3 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

I doubt we’ll be going to war over misfired missiles. 

I'd like to think NATO will hold its nerve on this  

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, atomised said:

I'd like to think NATO will hold its nerve on this  

I’m pretty sure they will. I think they’ll end up providing more weapons to Ukraine as a result.

[steviewevie]

I think this is it. The End.

[SheffJeff]

34 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Anyway, who gives a fuck. WW3 has just started.

It's good to see people have their priorities right.

 

[charlierc]

I mean, I want to believe this won't be allowed to escalate to that period, but Christ alive world events are testing the theory to breaking point.

[Guest]

 

[steviewevie]

It could be Ukrainian air defense missile.

[Neil]

Bloody Poland and those defence pacts, is it going to get us in big trouble again 

Edited November 16, 2022 by Neil